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  • Jemiah6 August 2010
    The episode that introduces Oscar-winner Louise Fletcher as Winn, a chillingly sinister religious zealot who would go on to appear in several more episodes during the series run. Still known as Vedek Winn at this point, she's in line to become the next Kai, the Bajoran's spiritual leader, and immediately brings intense conflict by busting into teacher Keiko's class and implying that teaching the young'uns science about the wormhole without mentioning the awesomeness of the prophets is tantamount to blasphemy. She then has Sisko over to her quarters, calls him Emissary, and justifies her actions by worrying about the "consequences" of what will happen if the kids aren't trained up right. Meanwhile, O'Brien and his hottie fellow engineer Neela investigate the death of an engineer who happened to borrow one of Miles's tools before getting melted in a plasma conduit. Was it an accident, or was he murdered? And by who? And why? Sisko appeals to another Vedek, the much mellower Bareil, to try to defuse the situation before the station descends into total chaos.

    It's not as brilliant as the preceding episode, "Duet", but "Prophets" is pretty good too, with a tightly interwoven set of story lines, further ugly truths about Bajoran culture (and beautiful faith in the goodness of individuals), and some good performances. Mostly, though, the characters are in service of the plot, and they are sketched somewhat broadly for DS9, which generally delights in nuance and complexity. It's a good stand-alone episode that shows the other sides of our allies, the Bajorans, and will make you think twice about blindly accepting them as victimized good guys. As usual, Louise Fletcher turns in a great performance as an ice-cold, dogmatic ball buster, and it's very entertaining to watch her and Avery Brooks's unflappable Sisko go head to head.
  • Vedek Winn (Louise Fletcher) obvious in its attack on modern fundamentalists vacant Kai position

    Adding the character Vedek Winn (later Kai Winn) was a wonderful decision. The series needed an infusion of such a deliciously evil person and through the course of the show, Winn (Louise Fletcher) became came more and more entertaining to watch. So, because of this, "In the Hands of the Prophets" is well worth your time.

    When the show begins, Vedek Winn is visiting Deep Space 9. However, as she observes Keiko teaching about the wormhole, Winn in incensed that the existence of the wormhole isn't being attributed to the prophets but to some unknown aliens. Winn insists that her religious interpretation of this be taught or else she'll mobilize her followers to resist the Federation. When she does mobilize them, running the station becomes practically impossible. But what's worse is that Winn is also very willing to do ANYTHING to get her point across in this obvious power grab, as she is vying to become the Bajorans' next Kai (sort of like their Pope).

    This plot is clearly meant as a parallel to modern fundamentalists in their objections to some things taught in public schools. In the case of Kai Vedek, she exploits all this for her own selfish reasons-- which is what I liked about the show. I did find its attack on fundamentalism today to be a bit obvious, however its connection to Winn was rather interesting. Worth seeing--even if the show did seem a bit too obvious in its attack on fundamentalists today.
  • Vedek Winn visits Deep Space Nine and stirs up religious fundamentalism after observing Keiko O'Brien's class.

    This is a solid episode with strong character moments and world-building within the Star Trek universe.

    This has the premise and theme of the 1955 play 'Inherit The Wind' and applies it to the strongly religious Bajoran people. The plot is relatively predictable and not particularly subtle but it develops the Bajoran race, politics and religious themes very well.

    In Vedek Winn we are introduced to a great recurring antagonist played superbly by the great Louise Fletcher, who channels a fair bit of Nurse Ratched's tendencies towards social control.

    It is the best episode for Commander Sisko since the show began, as Avery Brooks is given material that allows him to show his best performances qualities, such as powerful speech making and portraying strength of character.

    The O'Briens both have good scenes that Colm Meaney and Rosalind Chao perform strongly. This is by far the best material these characters have had in both shows they have appeared.

    Unfortunately I have to express my disappointed that the most crucial moment of the episode turned out to be one of those awful slow motion "Noooooooooo!" sequences. One of my pet hates in movies and television.

    For me it's a 7.5/10 but I round upwards.
  • Hitchcoc28 September 2018
    Louise Fletcher appears as a Bajoran religious zealot, seeking the position of Kai, the loftiest spiritual leader. She uses a heavy handed tactic, attacking science and forcing her way into the not so resistant mobs. She is ambitious and ruthless, actually setting up a situation where her rivals can be killed by her followers. Once again, issues that have plagued us on earth are presented again.
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    Winn ---- Totally willing to murder small children for the opportunity to kill Vedek Barielle.

    It's been a while since I have done a full re-watch of DS9 but after this episode I ponder if it is possible to be more evil than Vedek Winn.

    I love the delicious manufacturing of outrage at Keiko's teaching of Bajoran children as a guise for an assassination. Who comes up with an idea like that? Winn is sitting at the office whipping someone and just jumps out of her chair and says, "I got it! Get me a ticket to DS9 on the double!"

    This episode will be relevant forever. There are so many people in this world who use religion/idea/belief as a sword to achieve hidden agendas.

    Random Thought:
    • Slow motion Sisko Dive? NICE!


    • The temptation of O'Brien is officially over.


    • I like Vedek Barielle and you people who don't are crazy. This man is poster boy of a centered at peace hippy religious guy who's totally cool and down for just chilling you know?


    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Season 1 overall:
    • Overall combined score is 7.26 out of 10. This is a better score then TNG season 1/2/6 (haven't hit 7 yet) according to my reviews.


    • It's clear the star trek engine is running well when they can deliver a far better experience then TNG's first season.


    • Strongest characters of the season would be Odo/Kira/Quark. All of these characters are clearly established and deliver memorable performances throughout.


    • Duet is a wonderful episode that earned a 10/10 from me. That's pretty high praise for an episode in the first season.


    • Credit should be paid to the set designers. It really feels like they are living/working on a cardassian space station --- because they actually are.


    • Nothing currently stands out to me like Beverly Crushers glorious main of hair or Riker's beard but I guess I will mention how consistently adorable Molly Obrien is ---- we will revisit Molly's cuteness meter going forward.


    • Sisko's an interesting character to think about. He's a bit loose with the rules and follows his instinct when making many decisions. He's the captain that will give you the rope you need and then you make the call on whether you hang yourself or pull yourself up.


    • There's a disturbing trend of viewers suggesting that DS9 only really gets good in the 3rd/4th season when the Dominion Arc comes up. No, no, no. We need these season to fully flush out the characters and universe they inhabit and only then does the dominion arc carry any emotion weight. Aspiring writers --- I beg you ---- Show some restraint and earn the climatic highs in the story.
  • This final episode of DS9's first season introduces us to Louise Fletcher head of an extreme fundamentalist order of the Bajoran religion. She's on the station protesting that some godless science is being taught at the station school which Rosalind Chao runs. At Fletcher's insistence the Bajoran kids leave the school. Sounds awfully familiar.

    This woman affects that deep spirituality, but as Vedek Winn she is some piece of work. Fletcher figures prominently in the series finale, but that's way down the road.

    Seems appropriate that Nurse Ratched be playing Vedek Winn.
  • Warning: Spoilers
    1.19 "In the Hands of the Prophets"

    A Bajoran religious leader named Winn shows up on the station and begins to stir up trouble over the fact that Keiko O'Brien is not teaching Bajoran religious doctrines in her school. She incites protests, which turn into violence, and a web of conspiracy behind these event is revealed to be both deep and sinister--and Winn is at the center of it all.

    With real stakes, relevant social commentary, a tight and gripping story, and incredible acting and writing across the board, this is a near-perfect episode. There are only a couple of flaws keeping it from getting a perfect score, but overall this is the best so far of the series. Great way to close out the season.

    This episode marks the first time in ST where religion is treated with real seriousness. Normally religious beliefs are used as flimsy cardboard props for the story (in all secular film these days, not just Star Trek), with no consideration given to the depth of conviction that people of faith can have. But here, when Jake tries to condemn the Bajorans' beliefs as "stupid," Sisko defends them and explains how their faith means everything to them and that they have very valid reasons for believing what they believe. That is a conversation Gene Roddenberry would never have allowed to happen if he were still alive, but it is a refreshing change of tone from the usual treatment of religion as foolish superstition.

    Sisko makes a couple of comments in this ep that bear deeper discussion. The first is when he says that his philosophy is that there is room for all philosophies. While this sounds noble, it is actually a completely incoherent position to take. When faced with intolerance, the philosophy of "tolerance for all" must choose to either allow intolerance to exist (in violation of itself), or to suppress intolerance, also in violation of itself. This paradox is why, even though tolerance can be a good thing in many situations, it cannot be central to any coherent worldview. If you allow room for all philosophies, it means you must allow room for racism, fascism, authoritarianism, and any other -ism that is clearly and objectively evil. And if you try to draw a line between which -isms are allowed which ones aren't--and use tolerance as your primary guiding principle in drawing that line--you end up drawing it completely arbitrarily. I hope that Sisko has some deeper philosophy that guides him other than simply "tolerance," though no indication of that is given here.

    The second comment is when he defends what happened to Galileo by pointing out that we can not look back and judge people from centuries ago based on our current values. This is actually an extremely important point, and one that is often overlooked. There is even a term for this type of bias--presentism--and it is a dangerous bias to fall into, because if we don't understand the values that led to mistakes in the past (like condemning Galileo), then we can't really learn from them. It's not helpful--in fact it's actively damaging--to look back and judge people as stupid or evil based on our present values and understanding of the world. And if you can't put yourself in the shoes of people from that time, then you shouldn't try to judge them. Ideally you should never try to judge them, but especially not when your perspective is warped by a bias such as presentism.

    THE GOOD

    -Winn is a great villain. Louise Fletcher played a similar role in her Oscar-winning performance alongside Jack Nicholson in the legendary One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, and she does an excellent job of portraying a character with a saccharine and righteous exterior, and a heart of rotten, pure evil. If it were not for what a great character Gul Dukat becomes, I would say she is the best villain in all of Star Trek.

    -I really like Bareil's character. The actor reminds me a lot of Charleton Heston. I hate the direction that they take his story over the course of the next couple of seasons, but in this episode at least he is really good.

    -The acting, writing, directing, and dialogue are all incredible in this ep. Guest stars and main cast alike hit it out of the park with their performances (with one exception noted below).

    -Real stakes and powerful social commentary. This ep gets mega points for being brave enough to address religion with a bit of honesty, rather than the usual Hollywood tendency to give it a shallow and disdainful treatment.

    THE BAD

    -Apparently something went wrong with the casting or writing and Neela was supposed to be set up as a character in the previous few eps, but never was. Thus her sudden importance in this ep is abrupt, and her betrayal is not as emotionally powerful as it should have been. We are given zero indication for why a seemingly nice and well-adjusted person like her would throw her life away for someone like Winn. The actress who plays her is also just not good. If it weren't for the mishandling of her character, this would probably be a perfect ep.

    THE UGLY

    -Runabout used: unknown, but one is seen on the viewscreen in the classroom and the hatch of another is shown at the landing pad airlock.

    -Different classroom set from previous eps

    -Rules of Acquisition quoted: 7th -- "Keep your ears open." 4 rules quoted for the series.

    -Other count totals from the first season: 2 Kira Hulk-outs, 9 on-screen Odo shifts, and 2 runabouts still operational (Rio Grande and Ganges).

    -As we close the first season of the show, I am overall impressed by how high the quality of the writing has been. The show has a number of flaws, but the rich and likable characters really keep it interesting and enjoyable. My biggest complaints of the season are 1) the claustrophobia setting-wise, and 2) Dax is massively underutilized as a character. Both of those problems go away as the series progresses, but for now they are pretty frustrating, particularly the lack of Jadzia. For the most part, though, the show has lived up to its promise of showing a setting where adventure comes and has real and lasting consequences. The restriction of locating the show on an unmoving station has bred some amazing creativity, particularly in terms of the characters and their continual growth. Overall, this season is miles ahead of TNG season 1, and nearly on par with TOS's first season. On to season 2!
  • DS9 is the only one of the original Star Trek series that I did not finish all the way through the first time. One of the main reasons was that I find Winn so despicable. Also toward the end it dwelt much more with war than the true spirit of Trek. More-so than any of the other versions. Exploration and the relationships between characters has always been the foundation that made it so appealing.

    It's now 2020 and I am watching it again. I am trying to keep an open mind. I have been a Trekkie all of my life. My mother's car license plate spells out WARP10 (although not in that exact manner). I enjoyed this series for many seasons at first, so I'm giving it another chance. I'm older now and perhaps will see things differently.
  • Tweekums26 November 2010
    Warning: Spoilers
    When Vedek Winn walks into Keiko's class as she teaches the children about the wormhole Keiko doesn't suspect that her lesson will lead to the Bajoran children being withdrawn from her classes and raised tensions across the station. In what appears to be a separate incident a Star Fleet officer is found dead in one of the plasma conduits… at least what is left of him is. As the murder is investigated there is no obvious motive; he was killed before the incident at the school so it seems highly unlikely that it has anything to do with angry Bajorans. As tensions rise Commander Sisko attempts to defuse the situation but it is clear that Winn is itching for a fight with him and goes as far as to suggest that he is the devil! Sisko goes to see the moderate Vedek Bareil and he in return visits the station; it is at this point the two plots come together and we learn how Winn was involved in the earlier crime and just what her real goal is.

    Louise Fletcher is great in the role of Vedek Winn; making her seem a dangerously ambitious zealot who will stop at nothing to become Bajor's next spiritual leader, I look forward to seeing more of her character, as I'm certain we have not seen the last of her. Robin Christopher was also fairly good as the Chief's new assistant Neela even though it was fairly obvious that her character couldn't be as good as she first appeared.
  • All across the Star Trek universe of shows there are aspects of humanity that are rightly targeted and vilified by writers. One of those themes is religious bigotry and intolerance. The main spiritual antagonist of the series makes her appearance in this episode. Kai Winn is the character everyone loves to hate. Whenever she is on the screen you will see why.
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    Super episode. I had a full eye-roll at the cold open because it was going to be another spiritual episode, but my god (irony intended) they really put some meat on the bones of this one.

    So, so, so much better handled than any of the Bajoran prophets stuff so far throughout season 1. We finally get some payoff for the never-quite-settled tensions between the Bajoran staff and starfleet, and the story is presented as a web of intrigue and mystery, until with all the players established, the payoff of the episode unfolds with a lot of satisfaction.

    Poss less obvious in the nineties, it's clear from the start that guest star Neela is going to be an antagonist and that removes a bit of the murder mystery vibe, but for the first two acts we still get the joy of Rene and Colm teaming up to solve the case, and it's joyful and dramatic and compelling against the backdrop of Sisko and Kira dealing with the macro level politics.

    A great example of the A and B stories being interwoven to create a much stronger whole.

    All performances are good, great even, no doubt helped by Bashir only being on screen for about 6 seconds. I did find myself missing Quark, though, and his one contribution ("Odo, you wound me!") is delicious.

    Can we talk about the school explosion, too? That has to be at the absolute limit of a practical, non-vfx fire on an indoor soundstage. Extremely impressive and makes some of the voyager explosions comical by comparison. Colm being held back when he's terrified for Keiko's safety was really good stuff. Lots of money spent making this episode feel like a season finale.

    Knocking a few points off the rating for particularly nonsensical technobabble leading O'brien to the answer, especially when the conduit he investigates that supposedly controls the weapon detector can be seen to have a bio of Quark on it. Probably wouldn't have been visible on an old TV, but it was pretty front and centre and distracting. It's also bizarre that when they unlock the mcguffin file and see the escape route, neither Dax or O'brien tell anyone or, I don't know, disable the programme or put additional forcefields in place. O'brien even says it's an escape route, then proceeds to do absolutely nothing about it. The direction of the assassination attempt was also weak compared to everything else in the episode, and the slowmo comes across as super cheesy rather than exciting. Again, probably more forgivable with nineties glasses on.

    It feels like this is setting up a lot, and has reaffirmed kira's place in Team Sisko which I expect to play out in upcoming episodes.

    Really good stuff.
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    This episode is still accurate after all those years. Religion still fears science, and always will.

    It uses the same old methods in this episode as in real life. Create doubt, claim moral high ground etc. And tries to win it through our children.

    Before children are able to see the difference between fact and fiction they want to imprint the ideas. It is quite sad.

    For those that are interested i suggest looking up Cognitive Dissonance.

    A scary episode indeed...
  • zkonedog4 July 2019
    I'll be honest here and say that I only made it through three episodes of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine. I realized that this isn't an adequate amount of episodes to fairly judge this season.

    Here's the thing, though: I found myself so incredibly bored while watching those three episodes that (at least at this point) I have no desire to continue watching any further.

    From what I have heard (from people who really like DS9), the attraction is that the show is much more serialized than other other Trek show. It takes a few seasons to get to that point, though, and I just don't have the patience right now to weed through multiple seasons of average material to (potentially) get to that point.

    Another reason why I'm stopping my DS9 experiment before it really ever even got off the ground? Besides TOS & TNG (the series that everyone seems to enjoy), I'm a "Voyager" guy. I watched every episode of that series and very much enjoyed it. It seems like Voyager & DS9 are polar opposites in terms of type of show, so perhaps DS9 really isn't for me.

    What I didn't like in the early goings was how slow everything unfolded and how much politics was involved. It was like they took all the things I didn't care for on TNG (Klingon/Cardassian politics, plotted space wars) and made a show about that.

    I have no doubt that the show improves in quality as it goes along, but I just don't know if I'm ready (or ever will be) to put in the time to see it through.
  • onedrumwheeler16 April 2022
    But there is no correlation between the situation on ds9 concerning the prophets and the wormhole aliens argument and the science vs 'religion in schools' argument in the real world. The difference is there is no god which science 'misperceives' as an alien being. There is no evidence or reason to believe in a god or any deity as an actuality beyond the imaginings of people. Science and religion aren't on a level playing field. Religion is make believe. Science is a process of verifying and understanding reality and aspects there of. Religion is invented like a child might invent a friend when they don't have one. So this episode misrepresents the dynamics of the actual argument as it stands in reality. This fact makes me give it less stars. Had they exemplified this point I would give more stars. This series is one of the best ever of it sort btw.
  • Personally I don't give a crudite about the bajoran spirituality crud, it's all a pile of crud to me. I'd have thrown that Vedic in the recycler for denying children the right to scientific knowledge. "Odo escort the Vedic to the nearest recycler and put her to good use for once" -Sisko.
  • The idea to mix Deep Space Nine with religion isn't very good. Let alone as the opener AND cliffhanger of this season. As a script writer, to me, the idea would have felt great for a brief moment. And horrible the next moment. Bajoran 'Vedeks,' in the Deep Space Nine series, are like real-life popes. Those heads of the Bajoran religion are somehow spiritually connected to the show's wormwhole, via artefacts called Orbs, and via Benjamin Sisko. At that point, as a writer, I would already start snoozing. For one reason because that Bajoran religion is obviously too close to ours. It can't get very interesting. Having said that, I wouldn't mind that religion idea playing in the background. Like Quark's casino table, neither are annoying. But to me, staring at a wall has the same level of entertainment. I watched DS9 in the 1990s, and the idea to include religious Vedeks felt boring then. Bajorans as a race are boring, too. It's possible that the Vedek idea is so underwhelming, because it's Bajoran, not because it's religion. But then Bajorans would be the exact kind of people who have popes. The religion idea itself wouldn't work for Cardassians, Klingons or Romulans. Romulans have several secret services. An idea more captivating (no ?). There are several story arks that DS9 took, that felt disappointing. Ferengi weddings, never-culminating wars, lack of vibrancy. The religion story ark was another loss of Star Trek's ways, I felt.