Twin Peaks: The Missing Pieces (2014) User Reviews (26)

A collection of deleted scenes that should not have been deleted.

[TouchTheGarlicProduction · 9/10 · 18 February 2016]

The Missing Pieces is a collection of never-before-seen scenes from Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me, the divisive prequel to the television series Twin Peaks. This feature length edit, put together by David Lynch himself, is almost like a second Twin Peaks movie. It is a chance to get some new scenes with beloved characters from the show, starts to explain some of what David Lynch was going for with the movie, and even has some scenes taking place after the end of the TV show. I actually enjoyed it more than the film it was cut from.

First of all are the additional scenes of the investigation at the start of Fire Walk With Me. These are mostly a curiosity item, a lot of them being no more than extended scenes. There is a pretty good fight scene in there. The most interesting part of this first 30 minutes is the scene with David Bowie's Agent Phillip Jeffries. In the movie, this came out of nowhere and went nowhere. You couldn't even hear what was going on half of the time due to the editing. Here, we can see a clean version of the scene, and it begins to explain some things. It's still a big mystery, but there are some new pieces.

Then we get to the main event. The Twin Peaks staples. There are lovely scenes with Norma and Ed, Bobby's parents, and a hilarious one with Josie, Pete, and an Old Man. That scene felt most like one from the show.

One of the main problems with the movie is that it shows us nothing but the dark, abusive side of the Palmer family, meaning we don't really get a chance to invest in the characters, so we don't care when devastating things happen to them. That's why the initial dinner scene from this edit is the most crucial scene that should have stayed in the movie. It shows us the Palmer family as a quirky yet functional and happy family, masking some darkness underneath. If they had kept this scene in the movie, it would have humanized them, meaning it actually means something when we see them dehumanized throughout the movie.

At the end, we see a scene with Annie from after the end of the show and an extended version of the show's final scene. Neither scene solves the massive cliffhanger the series was left on ("How's Annie?"), but they make it more intricate, tying in aspects from the movie plot.

In the end, this is a must see for Twin Peaks fans, even ones who didn't enjoy the movie. It provides new scenes in the style of the show, illuminates the thinking behind some of the movie's odd choices, and even provides more information about the massive cliffhanger from the end of the show.

Scenes that should not have been deleted !!!

[Bored_Dragon · 8/10 · 11 February 2017]

This is not a movie, but a collection of scenes deleted from "Fire walk With Me". Standing alone, this movie is nonsense and extremely boring. I know that because I accidentally watched it before "Fire walk With Me". But once seen right after TV series and "Fire walk With Me", this addition gets a completely new shape and while watching it I enjoyed more than I enjoyed the movie itself. Those deleted scenes are more like the original TV show than the movie and I think that cutting them out was a terrible mistake. I suppose they did it to cut the movie to a reasonable length, because all together lasts almost four hours, but with these scenes included all objections to the movie disappear. With these scenes in it, the movie would have the same charm and atmosphere we loved in the TV show and most of the characters movie is missing appear here. Besides that, in several spots during the movie, we have sudden switches where it is obvious that something is missing. Well, these deleted scenes are missing. They deleted scenes without ironing the edges in places they were cut out. I saw somewhere that fans asked Lynch to make an extended version of the movie in which he would join "Fire walk With Me" and "Missing Pieces" into one harmonious piece of art, but he refused to do it. So some extreme fan did it on his own. You can find the extended fan version of the movie that lasts 3,5 hours. They did not include every single deleted scene in it, because the goal was to make harmonious result, not to put everything back at any cost. I have to find and see it one of these days, but it was too much for me to do it right after watching the whole series and movie in just a few days period. Maybe in a few years, when the time comes to refresh my memory. If anyone already saw it, I would like to hear your impressions. All in all, this is must watch for every "Twin Peaks" fan, because it fills many holes in the story and opens some new points of view.

8/10

the 'What Could've Been' edition of Fire Walk with Me - essential viewing

[Quinoa1984 · 9/10 · 7 November 2016]

Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me remains one of the major polarizing efforts that any American filmmaker has made in the past 30 years. That may sound like a bold statement, but for people who watched the television show Twin Peaks, whether it was during its initial run or years later (I was part or the latter), seeing how those two seasons came out - one very short at 8 episodes, another longer at 22) - and then going into the last gasp of TP for decades as Lynch's film (co- written by Peaks regular Robert Engels), was disappointing. It's not, as it stands today as a 134 minute film, a pleasant sit overall: it's weirder than the show, if you can believe that, more daring in its experimentations with light and sound and super- impositions and other parts of the grammar of cinema that Lynch has manipulated over time, and most of all it's darker and grimmer than the show. Or, that's not accurate entirely; what one should say really is that it lacks the *warmth* that the show had, the charm.

To be sure there are two different ways to look at it: Twin Peaks the show was about Laura Palmer post murder, and looked at the town as it had an innocence to it ("Not Laura Palmer, not *Her*, heavens!") and how, piece by piece and episode by episode, we got to see more of what was under the surface. This was not unlike in its way how Lynch operated in Blue Velvet, showing us what's under the hood of suburban society and out in the 'woods' of the surreal and dreamlike dimensions. By the last part of the 2nd season things were getting trippier and weirder and darker, but when a third season didn't happen (and when Kyle MacLaughlin, for the most part, wanted to move on to other things), to continue Lynch and his collaborators had to find another story to tell. Laura Paulmer's final seven days is less like the soap opera of the show and more of a Lifetime movie - the most dangerous, f***ed up Lifetime TV movie known to man/woman.

Which brings us to "The Missing Pieces", which is a treasure trove of deleted scenes from Fire Walk With Me, or some extended bits, that give more than a simple 'what if' of what the movie could have been. It gives another cinematic experience for fans of Twin Peaks, to get more of the characters we love while also learning more about characters who, frankly, got the shaft in the feature. Philip Jeffries is one such guy (the now late David Bowie), and seeing his full scene, plus set up at a hotel, with the FBI agents suddenly makes his appearance less of the WTF walking-in-from-another-movie that happened in the original movie. People like Josie Packard, Bobby's parents, Andy and Lucy, Big Ed, Jack Nance, they get to be seen here, and it suddenly occurs to one watching this what might have been had Lynch simply gone back and done "Redux" version ala Coppola with Apocalypse Now.

Not every one of the newly found scenes is perfect, and some of the pacing may be off. I'd even say that one or two moments, like the extended bit showing the characters going from the one bar to the "Pink Room" club was more succinctly cut in the feature film. But a nagging issue that I'm sure those who may even like the film, that certain scenes feel shortened or lack context (yes, even for a nightmarish Lynch trip into teenage horror and incest), gets cleared up with scenes here, and other people like Grace Zabriskie (Sarah Palmer) get fleshed out relationships (she even gets to *smile* who knew that was a thing!) So you can watch this separately, as its own sort of stream-of-consciousness 'film', or imagine it with the rest of the feature, and suddenly it becomes better, stronger, more humane. Or, if you already love FWWMe as it is, these extra scenes are the equivalent of extra whipped cream on your sundae of despair.

I waited since 1992 for these scenes

[stanheckjr · 10/10 · 22 May 2017]

I was a fan of "Twin Peaks" from episode 1 until the end. It was sad when the show went off the rails in season 2. I still stuck with it because I knew it would be great again and "It almost was".

In Season 2 when the death of Laura Palmer was solved the show should of shut down production for a few weeks so they could figure out where to take the show. Well they didn't do that and what we got was about 6 weeks of watching a show going down in flames!

When the show got its groove back it was too late. The audience was gone. What was worse was that the show ended on a cliffhanger.

I was hoping the film "Twin Peaks: Fire Walk with Me" would solve the cliffhanger but it didn't. However I still love the film. I herd for years there was deleted scenes but it took 22 years for those scenes to pop up. Once I saw them I loved them. I just wish David Lynch would have re-edited the film" to include many of these scenes.

Most of the missing pieces here are scenes that feature cast members from the TV show. The theatrical film however did not feature most of our favorite characters. Thankfully now we get to see them here.

To me some of the scenes that should have been left in should have been

*Teresa Banks phone Calls" "Laura Hiding in the bushes when she sneaks out"

The Blu-ray Set is worth buying just to see these scenes.

is coming back in style.

[TheOneThatYouWanted · 9/10 · 27 January 2018]

This film is basically the cut and deleted scenes from the Fire Walk With Me film, which ended up being long enough and relevant enough to be able to make a whole freaking movie with. This is something for the hardcore Twin Peaks fans and will make zero sense to whoever else. This film does have relevant scenes, so much so that I would even argue this film is mandatory viewing for hardcore fans of the series. Whatever, on to season 3.

It would be a great 3 and a half hour movie

[alansabljakovic-39044 · 7/10 · 20 September 2019]

So many great scenes but one is so good and I don't know why it was cut from the movie. Ofcourse, I'm talking about the scene in which Pete Martell is selling a piece of wood to the old man. Priceless.

Directors cut

[Gav-7 · 10/10 · 7 January 2020]

Would love a directors cut with these added into the movie FWWM .

A lazy half-way step to a director's edition

[cherold · 7/10 · 28 May 2017]

In a way it seems wrong to review Missing Pieces as a movie, since it's really just a more elaborate than usual DVD extras video.

It's been years since I saw Fire Walk with Me (which, against popular and critical opinion of the time, I loved), so often I can't put these scenes in a real context within the film. Still, it's interesting to see more of Laura's life, and it's unfortunate these scenes were cut.

Other scenes, on the other hand, aren't really worth much, particularly an endless fight scene near the beginning (the first half hour of Missing Pieces is pretty missable).

Some scenes were basically for fans of characters I never cared about. There were plot threads of Twin Peaks I was never much interested in, like the saw mill, and I'm fine with the movie not doing a shout out to every character.

Releasing these scenes is a nice present to Twin Peaks fans, but it would have been better to simply release the original cut, which was over three hours. Noble amateurs have apparently cut Missing Pieces into the original movie, bless them, but they shouldn't have had to.

If you liked the movie and want to see some more of Sheryl Lee's amazing performance and of the general wackiness, check it out. For that it's quite good.

Essential viewing for any self-respecting Twin Peaks fan

[rocky-m · 10/10 · 20 January 2018]

It's impossible to review this collection of clips (I cannot call it a feature movie) without looking back at Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me.

Although I liked TP:Fire Walk With me, I found it lacking in many departments, especially the pacing in the first "Blue Rose & Dale Copper" - prehistory part. Still, the latter part of the movie, about the last 48 hours of Laura's life remain, a chilling and upsetting depiction of a torchured young life. All of this made it for a very uneven film for me.

The Missing Pieces right this wrong. There are many insightful clips that extend the universe and the meanings behind all things Twin Peaks and even make some things in the third season of the TV series more clear.

So basically, if you've watched TP:FWWM and liked it you NEED to watch this. If you are confused with few bits and pieces from the third season of the TV show - you NEED to see this. If you have not watched Fire Walk With Me or you did not care about it, you can skip this - it will look like a whole bunch of nonsense to you. For me it made perfect sense and I enjoyed revisiting the world of Twin Peaks once more.

doesn't stand on its own. Should have been edited into "Fire Walk With Me"

[phenomynouss · 6/10 · 26 June 2022]

The Criterion Collection blu ray of "Fire Walk With Me" gives us "The Missing Pieces", first released in 2014, advertised as a feature film made up of deleted scenes and cut content from this one.

Unfortunately calling it a feature film is very very rough. It's not actually cut together in a coherent way; instead it plays out the way most other DVD/Blu Ray deleted scenes do when you select "Play All"; a scene will play, fade to black, then another scene will play, then fade to black, with almost no connection.

This is definitely the case here, as the "film" only really amounts to a string of scenes related to "Fire Walk With Me" arranged roughly chronologically to the original film. It is not a new story, and most importantly it does not add anything significant to the pre-existing story.

These "Missing Pieces" would have been better off edited into the main feature as some manner of Director's Cut, because as it is, this "film" does not stand on its own. It very much depends upon being watched soon after "Fire Walk With Me" or else it appears to be a confusing mess.

Deleted Scenes

[Sober-Friend · 8/10 · 25 February 2018]

This is not a film. "So what is this film" you may ask? Well long time "Twin Peaks" (Like myself) waited for over 20 years to see this footage. When I finally got my set (2 weeks after I was supposed too) I was like a child on Christmas morning. I watched this every scene with a wide smile.

In 1992 when David Lynch released this "Feature film" fans of the television show were disappointed. See their favorite characters from the television show were almost non-existent. In fact the ones that did pop up were almost in cameo roles.

Now what these scene include is mostly footage that could of been included in the feature film but were cut for time. However I think all the scenes from that included the character "Theresa Banks" should have been left in.

Now again this is not a film this is just deleted scenes. They are however well worth watching. I wish David Lynch would however re-edit the film to include some of these scenes. (Not all of these scenes should be re-edited back in). David Lynch has been on the record several times stating the theatrical cut his his cut of the film. He has no intention of ever re-cutting the film. Which is fine. I do love "Fire Walk With Me" but he should think about it!

You can look for a re-edited fan cut of the film. It just won't be an official version. I saw one it ran way over 3 hours and seem to play faster than the official version!

These two movie versions are really redundant.

[e-67102-48412 · 7/10 · 14 April 2020]

1992 "Twin Peaks: Walking With Fire" "Lost Fragments". The difference with "walking with fire" is that it no longer has Laura as the core, or extends to more branches-just like the loose structure in "Twin Peaks Season 1" to get more The feeling of the double peak atmosphere. PS: It ends with Twin Peaks season 2: the nurse steals Annie's ring, and what happens when Cooper is possessed.

Most of these were cut for a reason, pretty pointless apart from a few key scenes.

[EddyTheMartian007 · 3/10 · 1 March 2022]

Mostly pointless and even bad scenes that were cut for a good reason. I don't really know how to rate this but I didn't enjoy almost all the scenes, and I felt like they were pointless to release at all, unless they were special features, except for a few small parts that better explain certain things and this apparently setting up certain things in The Return. Still as a whole, even ignoring that this isn't a proper movie I would say it's bad and shouldn't have been released this way.

(3/10)

Amazing to finally see these scenes after so long.

[chahutmaenad · 9/10 · 23 April 2018]

This compilation of deleted scenes gives you even more insight to the murder of laura palmer and is incredibly fun to watch.

*** 800th review *** An unexpected (new) journey (web) : « The missing pieces »

[leplatypus · 10/10 · 3 January 2022]

Well, for 20 years, Twin peaks was finished : no third season, no new movie, no bonus. But, lately, « it's happening again ». First, we got this release of all the famous material that was cut for the movie and next year we will have new episodes !

About this deleted / extended scenes, my first reaction is to wonder why IMDb doesn't treat it like a true and real movie. It had a theatrical projection, it has credits and its duration (91 min) worths it ! Such opportunity is really exceptional and totally never seen before: it's like we have a new movie by itself. Sure, there's no plot in the traditional sense because it's above all cut branches of a tree but it worths watching and it's better to have that than nothing ! At first, i thought it would be a mess but Lynch has made the effort to put the scenes in order so it's really easy to follow what happens. Do the pieces reveal mystery ? Not really in the way that you can discover them literally by reading the FWWM script ! If a lot of them don't forward the story, at least, they bring the mood, the feeling of that particular little town. I really don't know other TV shows in which we follow so closely what happened in those family houses (except maybe some King's novels adaptations).

Finally, i'm very blessed because i'm among the few who discovers Twin Peaks with FWWM. It's because it spoke to me, it punched me that I watched the show after and it was indeed a unique experience. To retrace own steps with such a release now is definitely a new experiment as well and i really wonder what will be the new show about as its main villain (bob) has already left our world while he was the big winner of the last moments of this show !!!!

Great to finally see these scenes!

[Tobeshadow · 8/10 · 13 October 2021]

On the one hand,it's fantastic to finally see these long talked about scenes, and how they would have provided a balance to the ultra dark tone of FWWM. On the other, I always liked that FWWM was the dark side of Twin Peaks, all the horrible energy burning beneath the surface that you only got glimpses of in the original series, and had these scenes been in the final cut I think they would have muddled that feel.

It's always fantastic to see more moments with these characters though and the extra David Bowie moments are a particular highlight!

Fav tv show!! If you like detective movies check this one

[gummybluebear · 10/10 · 21 October 2020]

It's creepy mysterious weird a detective thriller you can't explain what happening there you have to just watch... everything it's so artsy and gives you such a vibe PERFECT ...also the soundtrack by Antonio B it's the perfect match

Bonus story

[lareval · 9/10 · 5 October 2021]

This extra, cut and edited as a 90 minute kind of story, not only gets me because of the amount of footage that I got to see, but because it should have never been deleted. The series and movie would be richier with them.

Useless Pieces

[fil-nik09 · 4/10 · 6 March 2016]

I must say - first of all - that I really really liked the series. OK, the second season after the killer of Laura Palmer was revealed was a bit unnecessary and some episodes were dragging and completely uninspiring, but all in all it was good.

I rated the entire series with an eight.

After that, because I liked it, I wanted to watch the movie: Fire walk with me and although it was interesting to see the true face of Laura Palmer, I did not find the movie on the same level as the series.

I rated the film with six. I rate this film with four.

Of course, any Twin Peaks fan will enjoy it in some way or the other. But besides the fact that these scenes did not make the final cut ( so you may wonder why ) , there is no real enjoyment to see them. I find almost all of these scenes completely useless to the series and to the film Fire walk with me.

It was however interesting to see that there are 6,7 characters who did not appear in Fire walk with me, the movie. But, as these scenes are kinda isolated, I did wonder if they were part of the film, what should they bring... Nothing! No wonder they were deleted...

Anyway, to conclude... the missing pieces are useless as they do NOT in any way contribute to the film or the series ( except for the one scene towards the very end of the film: where Annie is in hospital and she speaks and the nurse steals the ring).

Anything Twin Peaks? Count me in!

[joshuabush-34620 · 9/10 · 3 August 2021]

Twin Peaks: The missing pieces is a collection of deleted scenes from Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me, and a really cool addition for sure! I always wanted to see deleted scenes to the masterpiece of FWWM! From watching these, some of the scenes make more sense, and you see more iconic characters that have been missed. It's truly a treat for any Twin Peaks fan.

A fantastic accompaniment to Fire Walk with Me

[Red-Barracuda · 8/10 · 26 September 2022]

I just finished working my way through Twin Peaks for the second time, watching it weekly so that it spread over several months and allowed me to immerse myself in it at the proper pacing. The Missing Pieces was the final viewing in this run, after watching the feature film and the international pilot and I did wonder how good this could actually be. After all, whenever I watch deleted scenes, I invariably conclude that the scenes in question were removed for a very good reason. So surely the same rules will apply to these scenes cut from Twin Peaks: Fire Walk with Me?

Well, the answer to that question has to be no. This is a super rare example of a set of deleted scenes which for the most part, could easily have remained in the original film. I think this may be in part testament to the skills of David Lynch as a director, that so much of these scenes are incredibly interesting and so well executed that, in many cases, they would have improved the movie if left in. In fairness, the original film clocked in at well over two hours, so its entirely understandable that scenes had to go. And this was well before the days of two or even three volume movie instalments, and don't forget that by 1992 Twin Peaks mania was well and truly over, with the second season dropping the ball spectacularly after the conclusion of the Laura Palmer murder-mystery. So, its quite inevitable that all these scenes just could not realistically have made up the original film. That said, some material really should have made the cut, such as virtually all the scenes involving Theresa Banks, while the sequence involving David Bowie's Agent Phillip Jeffries is now just really strange, as opposed to utterly baffling! Much of the material also incorporates much loved characters from the TV show, and while it was definitely nice to see them, you sort of understand why they were trimmed out, given they were not fully relevant to the Laura Palmer story, which Fire Walk with Me ultimately is.

There's no real point highlighting specifics of the scenes found here but suffice to say, some are negligible, most add fantastic context and texture, while some feel crucial and I wish they had made the final cut. Needless to say, this is essential viewing for Twin Peaks fans.

Not Bad

[jack_o_hasanov_imdb · 8/10 · 27 August 2021]

Yes, the TV show was great.

The movie isn't bad either.

Why couldn't they let David cook?

[alphacuremom · 10/10 · 18 April 2024]

Not that the majority of the cut scenes were essential but they make the delivery of the story far smoother. When I first watched FWWM it felt like I was missing pieces so to speak, which isn't foreign for mysteries, much less Twin Peaks, but in more of a narrative sense. The nearly 4 hour uncut vision would have been a delight to experience but I guess this is the next best thing. After watching the original series and return season for the first time recently I can see how David was in a predicament with this film, not knowing if he'd ever make a follow up it was hard to justify adding questions that wouldn't be answered or even remotely touched on. But in hindsight keeping in those seeds that eventually grow to be entire basis of the return was absolutely the route to go. I think now that the story has concluded the least studios could do is give us an uncut physical release of FWWM.

An enjoyable compilation that helps to round out the beloved saga

[I_Ailurophile · 8/10 · 10 February 2024]

Slightly imperfect as it may have been (owing to issues with the second season), David Lynch's 'Twin Peaks' is a brilliant, creative TV series that surely remains one of the best series ever made. 1992 full-length prequel 'Fire walk with me,' incredibly, is in my opinion better still, and for that matter possibly the best thing Lynch has ever done, as it weaves together a fraction of the vibe of the series with the ferocious foundation of a psychological horror-thriller. It's gratifying that in all the time since we saw in 2017 a third season revival of the series, but for those who can't get enough of Lynch, or of his greatest claim to fame, this 2014 assemblage is very much worth checking out as well. I'm not someone who usually spends time with bonus features on DVDs, or deleted or extended scenes, yet even to read of 'The missing pieces' sights unseen it's clear that there was an effort to make it as reasonably cohesive as it could be as a collection of odds and ends from the 1992 movie. To watch, there is no mistaking that this lacks the foremost narrative unity of what came before - yet especially given the filmmaker's penchant for disjointed, non-linear storytelling that bucks convention, somehow the sum total nevertheless feels right in line with all else the man has ever given us. I don't think this picture is necessarily as captivating or essential as its more famous siblings, but if one is interested and does have the opportunity to watch, it's well worth exploring both on its own merits and as another piece of the puzzle.

'Fire walk with me' shared the feel of the preceding series primarily in those portions that focused not on Laura Palmer, but on the FBI agents and/or their investigation into the murder of Teresa Banks. For those who missed in the former the more lighthearted airs and surrealism of the latter, it's worth observing that we get more of both in this sideways compilation. The violence and grim atmosphere of the 1992 picture also remains, certainly, though without the same major cohesiveness of storytelling the feelings aren't as strong. Other benefits of the project, put together by Lynch himself, are that some relatively rough edges of the man's seminal cinematic splendor are rounded out with additional details (for example, with several more minutes of David Bowie's character); and we see more of the characters we love from 'Twin Peaks,' many of whom were left out of the prequel for lack of substantial involvement in the immediate plot. The additional or extended scenes within the namesake town also help to supply some of the offbeat comedy and soap opera melodrama that we loved so much in the series, likewise all but absent from the movie, and there's no denying that after the ugliness of that saga it's welcome to again see a tad more gentleness. To whatever degree 'The missing pieces' might have its own rough edges as the included scenes flit back and forth between many disparate characters and moods, the viewer's understanding of the construction helps to wash over the marginal inelegance, not to mention the inherent joy of seeing more of Ed, Norma, Donna, Pete, Josie, Harry, and the rest.

What we have, then, is a feature where the name could scarcely be more appropriate. The scenes herein do not in and of themselves comprise a single, complete image, yet they help to fill in some gaps, and finalize and polish our conception of the course of events and the lives of these figures. Some bits are much more meaningful than others; some, in keeping with the broad tenor of Lynch's oeuvre, are decidedly more strange and abstruse; some are very funny, others are dourly tragic, and others are plainly disturbing, just like much of the full-length film from which they come. It's a grab bag, in some measure, but for those who appreciate the filmmaker and above all these settings and characters, it's very worthwhile as another taste of 'Twin Peaks.' I wouldn't put 'The missing pieces' on the same pedestal as its companion works, neither in terms of overall quality nor importance, but if one has the opportunity to watch and is already invested in what it represents, this very much deserves to be checked out.

Deserved to Be Cut

[darkdaxtervc · 2/10 · 21 May 2020]

These scenes are interesting, but honestly they deserved to be cut. They are completely unnecessary and would disrupt the flow/tone of the movie for the sake of brief cameos and bad jokes. All of the important missing content can already be inferred from the movie's subtext itself (aside from the schoolgirl outfit).

The only one that I could really see staying is the first half of the extended Baby Laxative scene (the short scene where he throws it would become unnecessary). The last two serve as a decent epilogue to the show, and I honestly would have preferred the Annie scene as an ending to the angel scene.

I can see fans of the show wanting these included. I absolutely hated the show, but I liked the movie as is.