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  • All I can say is WOW. Michael Shannon and Taylor Kitsch are incredible in their roles as an FBI agent and cult leader. Although you don't want to root for Kitsch's character, you can't help but be drawn in by his outstanding deliverance from David's vision of the bible. Michael Shannon portrays his character in an exact delivery on an apposite side of what David believed, but has a severe sense of conflict with the FBI that he shows in his alone time.

    If this initial episode is just the fire cracker of what we all know is to come, I cannot wait for the following episodes.
  • DVK123427 June 2020
    Warning: Spoilers
    I remember Waco and the tragedy of how many lives were lost. Watching this series, it struck how anti-government the bias was. They portrayed David Koresh as quite "normal", as far as cult leaders go. In doing some research on Waco now, you hear clips of him screaming at his congregation, calling them stupid idiots. He slept with the senior citizen who was running the compound in a power play to take over Mt Carmel instead of it being left to her son. He had sex and married children as young as 11 years old. They portrayed the group as a lovely bunch. That's not how it was. There was systemic abuse in Waco, and many of the followers were also guilty of that. The ATF were called in because there were reports of grenades being delivered to the compound, and semi-automatic weapons being changed into automatic weapons without proper approval by the government. Koresh was a classic sociopath. He cared about his needs, and he loved the power. They did not portray that in the series well.

    ATF and FBI admit they made mistakes during the siege and the standoff. It's inexcusable as innocent lives were lost. Children. I think the errors of the government were played up in the series while the craziness going on in the Branch Davidian compound was played down. Perry Jones essentially gave his under age daughter to Koresh because he was the prophet, and because he asked for her. You don't need to hear from God to know that's ass backwards.
  • This mini-series is quite intriguing.

    At the very beginning, the scene of the BATF raid bears a very close resemblance to video and photos of the historical incident.

    Taylor Kitsch does a very good job in portrayal of Koresh, based on videos of Koresh. Much of the first episode is very well filmed. The two books it is based on, by different men with different perspectives could well be worth reading. The book The Davidian Massacre, by Carol Moore is a good source of information.

    As a nitpicker, I could pick on a few issues. While the BATF originally entrapped Randy Weaver in order to blackmail him to become an informant, it was the US Marshals that killed his son, lied to cover it up. The actor that portrays Randy Weaver does not resemble Randy Weaver. Weaver's talks with Col. Bo Gritz, and Officer Jack Mc Lamb went on for quite a while, and eventually did lead to his surrender, and his vindication in court.

    This mini-series would also be improved if it provided more background of the Branch Davidian, possibly in flash-backs.

    Telling this story in the form of a mini-series is interesting. Viewers can watch one episode, then research the story on their own, and discuss it with others, and then watch the next episode.

    I would urge viewers to do that, rather than paying attention to the politically correct trolls. Good people of all political persuasions and religious beliefs agree that law enforcement officers should be required to follow the law, and never be given a free pass if they murder citizens.
  • Every actor in this is incredible. The resemblance of Koresh to Kitsch is uncanny, even the voice. This man has many movies in his future, his acting is superb and the screen loves him. This movie seems pretty accurate so far, and it really delves into the human side of every single person involved. It is almost if there are multiple protagonists - the children, Koresh, the FBI negotiator who clearly wanted to end this with no violence, and the lost souls whom we only slowly get to know. There are no dull moments. I am loving this series so far....
  • Warning: Spoilers
    Some don't agree with the facts of this series but it is based on the books of 1 of the survivors ALONG WITH the book of the FBI negotiator who were BOTH on scene as advisors for the series. So with that said, this is THEIR story to tell and I'm glad they took the time to tell it together.

    This series humanizes the branch davidsons which is what I needed to better understand where they were coming from. Sure, they were considered a cult but they were also people who believed in a high power. Bottom line was, they needed David as much as he needed them. They found purpose in each other.

    This series shows the horrific mistakes made by ATF & FBI which were initially covered up. It shows how careless big brother can actually be. It shows how some ppl act when given too much power, on both sides.

    I am so glad I took the time to watch this series as it has brought a lot of unanswered questions to a close. But it was also a situation that could've been fully avoided. I've never agreed with some of the things that happened in that house but I definitely don't agree with what happened on the outside either.

    Great work Taylor Kitsch, Michael Shannon & Rory Culkin at portraying the parts of 3 of the most important people in this story.
  • gowdey2 February 2018
    Good dialogue, acting is top notch. I was shocked at how many known faces from some of my favorite shows are a part of this series. Don't get caught up in the politics or what you believe happened that day or you're going to miss out. It's not a documentary.

    Actors from Board Walk Empire, True Detective, Bloodline, House of Cards, Fargo, Hannibal, Narcos, Ozark, Bosch. OK I'll stop but you get the point. Some effort was put into this and so far I'm on board.
  • For anyone that was not alive in 1993, or living under a rock, this miniseries takes a look, from all sides, at the standoff in Waco Texas, led by the FBI and ATF versus one David Koresh. Fearing the amount of guns being hoarded at the retreat occupied by the religious group, the ATF tries to serve a warrant that turns into a firefight and a 51 day stand-off.

    This series explores these event from both side, told by the survivors, from both sides. I do not know where other reviewers on here can substantiate the claims that this is factually inaccurate, given that the information comes from those that lived. Surely there is the typical embellishment that is typical for anything that is produced by Hollywood, you know, to amp up the drama. This does raise a lot of good questions though. Does the government go too far some times? I think we can all agree to this. Who actually shot first? Who or what started the fire?

    I feel it was necessary to end the conflict, as it did stretch on for almost two months, but was it ended in the best manor? This with some other questions will never be answered, I am sure. The real tragedy here is that 25 children died, and these are wholly innocent lives. They did not choose to be there and it is beyond sad that this had happened to them. As for the reviewer that said they all deserved to die, who are you to judge? Children never deserve death.
  • This show came to my attention after I was made aware that many cultist leaders in fiction were based on a real person called David Koresh. Right away the cast and crew grab your attention. Well-known actors and the production team powered the show and elevated it right from Episode 1. So what holds this show back from being great?

    This show is plagued with misinformation and fails to paint an accurate picture of David Koresh. A good example is the lack of light on the survivor Heather Jones, who was physically assaulted by David Koresh multiple times, months in a row, and confirmed that David Koresh would have sex with children as young as ten years old and completely brainwash them.

    Clive Doyle, a follower of David Koresh also confirmed many of the same facts, not to mention the lack of credit given to the other negotiators not named Gary Noesner. It is also rather pathetic how many of the more radical recordings of David Koresh, where he claims to be the lord himself, weren't included in this series. This biased point of view for a TV series based on real events is disturbing when you realize how it can plant a false idea in the heads of other fanatics. Additionally, the character of Katherine Schroeder required a far greater spotlight. She is a perfect example of someone who was a brainwashed individual at a tier above other women. If you look at her modern interviews, she is clearly still enamored with the idea of being in bed with GOD and bringing his seed to life.

    Regardless, the show is an entertaining watch due to its good pacing, production, and superb acting. Especially Taylor Kitsch, who went through an impressive physical transformation to closely resemble David Koresh, and Michael Shannon, who acts as this truly neutral character that is both relatable and exciting to watch. Paul Sparks also deserves credit for the role of Steve Schneider, probably the second most impactful character from the other side. Despite the skewed storytelling, the show manages to get some things right, which deserves praise.

    It is a good show that loses its chance of being great.
  • With a complex and still controversial real life event like the standoff and assault of the Branch Davidian compound at Mount Carmel, it is vital that the producers respect history. Having seen five of the planned six episodes, it seems safe now to say that the producers have worked very hard to portray an historically fair and accurate narrative.

    Certain individual details, and the names of some of the FBI officials have been changed. But, having read the two books listed as a basis for this miniseries, plus the details of the Congressional investigation reports, it is clear that these actions of artistic license have not diminished the work, but instead added to it by making probative arguments that are relevant to the actual events.

    This miniseries does an excellent job of revealing the mindset of the various people who formed the critical conflict. Episode one focuses upon the horrible aftermath of the Ruby Ridge standoff, where the ATF and FBI were both sullied by Congressional investigations that made harsh recriminations against both bureaus of federal law enforcement.

    The connection between Ruby Ridge and Waco is clearly portrayed in episode two, when it looks at the motivations of ATF to score positive public relations by taking down, as ATF saw it, a compound of radicals, who broke laws with regard to the manufacture of automatic fire weapons, plus practiced polygamy.

    The pivotal events of the ATF raid is what set the standoff in motion, and the miniseries did an excellent job of portraying what most people think happened. The ATF squad assigned to take out the dogs killed them, and tragically, this caused other ATF agents to initiate fire upon the Waco compound. At this point, the Branch Davidians fired upon the ATF agents and repelled their law enforcement raid efforts. The loss of life was significant on both sides. The FBI then took control of the siege.

    For the FBI role, portrayed in the remaining four episodes, it comes down to three competing philosophies. First, David Koresh wanted to engage in polygamy and arm up his people to face the coming Revelations calamity. The FBI's two competing philosophies are between the use of military style tactics versus the negotiation tactics of Gary Noesner. This conflict was best rendered in a meeting portrayed between the commander of the Hostage Rescue Team and Noesner, in which the HRT commander asserted a "5,000 to 1" ratio of citizens to law enforcement, and how that delicate balance only worked, "to maintain order," if the people had faith in the power of law enforcement "being bigger than it really is."

    Amid the horrible misjudgments and erroneous actions this miniseries portrays, and in particular this poignant exchange between Noesner and the HRT commander, this manifesto from our Declaration of Independence came foremost to my own mind:

    "That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its power in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

    The lesson of Waco is for all of us, law enforcement included, to well remember these values. The truth is that law enforcement does not "derive its powers" from making the 5,000 to 1 people fear them, but instead, by continuing to earn the trust and confidence of those 5,000 to 1 people that law enforcement's actions "shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness." The miniseries powerfully articulates this reality!

    No one walked away from the Waco tragedy with an increased confidence in federal law enforcement. That was the most vital of all truths, and one that Congress focused upon in its many investigations.

    Congressional actions compelled the FBI and the ATF to significantly modify their tactics, to align them much more with the traditional law enforcement strategies espoused by Gary Noesner, who is the tragic hero in this miniseries.

    The producers of Waco deserve great credit for creating a dramatic, yet historically accurate, portrayal of this national tragedy.
  • Waco as a miniseries is competently made and filled with tension. The show follows the ATF/FBI standoff with the Branch Dividians that led to the deaths of the majority of the cult members and years of investigations and inquiries into the actions of the ATF. Taking its sources from two books, A Place Called Waco by David Thibodeau & Leon Whiteson and Stalling for Time: My Life as an FBI Hostage Negotiator by Gary Noesner, the series gives us a holistic view at the event from both sides of the engagement. Gary Noesner is played very well by Michael Shannon and conveys his desperation to deescalate the tensions while fighting against both Koresh's ego and the HRT team's desire to use aggressive actions to bring about a decisive end. It's a really good performance and only serves to reinforce what a fantastic actor Shannon is. Taylor Kitsch is equally good as Branch Dividians leader David Koresh and brings out the charisma of the man and from the performance you can understand why his followers would be drawn to him.

    Unfortunately there's a massive drawback to this series that keeps it from achieving greatness. The show deservedly calls out the overly aggressive tactics of the HRT team during the standoff as well as the oversight that gave them carte blanche to use these tactics, but the show is uncritical about not just David Koresh, but also Randy Weaver as Ruby Ridge is used as a sort of prologue leading up to the Waco standoff. Throughout the series we hear Weaver and Koresh use the phrase "we weren't bothering anyone, why couldn't you leave us alone?" and frames these men as victims despite knowledge of their actions that make them anything but. The show does address Koresh's ploygymany to both women and minors, but the show tries to excuse this by citing Texas las allowing 14 year olds to marry with parental consent. The way the show stumbles over itself trying to paint Weaver and Koresh as "victims" is not only disgusting, but damages the integrity of an otherwise well done series.

    Despite the series inexcusably sympathetic approach to Koresh and Weaver, I do still recommend the miniseries as it features good acting and genuine tension. However I feel that before one sees it they should have knowledge and context of the events discussed.
  • fmwongmd28 May 2020
    A worthy and exceptional film about our FBI and bureau of ATF with excellent portrayals by Taylor Kitsch, Michael Shannon, Paul Sparks and David Thibodeaux.
  • I really enjoyed this series. I think it gave a more sympathetic and detailed view of the Branch Davidians. But how is Gary Noesner getting away with inserting himself in the position it seems clear Byron Sage occupied. Many of the conversations purported to have gone on between Noesner and Koresh are conversations the world has already heard happen between SAGE and Koresh. Not Noesner. So while I did enjoy the acting and the story. It seemed to be a more fair example of the Davidians than that showed by other media, but very disappointing that Noesner clearly pretends to have done things he did not do. I have followed and watched many shows about Waco in the last 25 years and this series is the very first time I ever even heard of Noesner. And it's a fact that he was NOT at Waco for the whole 51 days of the siege. He was replaced by Clint Van Sandt after a few weeks. Very disappointing. And I wonder what Byron Sage thinks about it
  • ...very honest.

    Knowing and following both stories depicted in the first act of the pilot episode (Ruby Ridge & Waco), I'd say this depiction is about as fair and honest as you'll find outside of the Frontline/American Experience exposes'

    When the story writes itself it takes strong leads and acting, and what you find here is just that with Shannon and Kitsch. Solid stuff.

    What you also get is the "inside and the outside" stories that the actors have figuratively bought into and it shines. Highly recommended and looking forward to the next in the series.
  • Gabbiadini3 July 2019
    10/10
    Wow!
    An absolute gem of a mini series with fantastic acting from all involved . Taylor was amazingly convincing and has proved himself as a true leading man in this heartbreaking drama
  • rukstar6910 March 2018
    I must admit, I knew very a little about this Waco incident before seeing this. This story really points to the ATF and FBI really being the bad guys well more bullies than bad guys. I dunno how much is true but it certainly seems that way based on this portrayal. I was hooked from the start, The acting is amazing and so it the screen play. There are 6 episodes all an hour each and the felt like 5 mins each. I would recommend this mini-series to anyone.
  • I read a few reviews of this series, and some people seem to say that the facts have been accurately portrayed. If so, not only were ATF and FBI irresponsible, but also erratic, spiteful, deplorable on every step and angle.

    Why have a negotiator in charge if it was to systematically undermine him and renege on every deal he made?

    I read that oh yeah Koresh did abuse young girls so he deserved it etc... For starters, that fact does not seem unequivocally established, looks like the ATF/FBI have tampered a tad with reality to match their best interest, and controlled the story-telling, at least partially. Needed to cover their backs. "If you want to put down your dog, blame it on rabies" says an old french adage.

    Whatever the guy did, don't go all guns blazing. Catch him and try him.

    I think everyone (pro or anti-Koresh) who watches the show will be appalled by the way they handled things. But then again, did the story really happen this way?
  • In the first hours of this standoff the video the media recorded was widely available until it was buried in the months after the raid. While this show gets a lot correct, it blatantly omits parts of the actual events that show even more of the ATF/FBI fiasco. Example: the agents making entry on the second floor roof and window. The unedited footage showed agent enter then the agents behind them toss a grenade (stun) in the window right behind the agents that just made entry. Then gunfire comes out of the building at the agents on the roof. That was ATF shooting at ATF. Also, an agent was on film accidentally shooting himself in the foot climbing a ladder. Then the flamethrower/tear gas tanks that actually set the compound on fire. It was all filmed by the old media that was about truth over politics. I guess overall you get the gist that the ATF/FBI was in the wrong so maybe it's not a complete lie. While I don't condone Koresh and I believe he should have been arrested and he was semi-dangerous and pedophile ,the ATF/ FBI is guilty of a horrendous atrocity against those people.
  • I watched all six episodes in one day. Addictive is the word I would use. Plot development in each series is another level. It's realistic as heck, but the show itself does not have to have the documentary approach, pushing viewers to side with only one side. We get that the main villain in the story is ATF, but the show heroizes and almost idolizes David Koresh. I thought one of the writers should be a member of Branch Davidians. When Koresh talks on the phone with a gunshot wound, the light sheds his face from above like in religious paintings. In the last episode, he walks through the fire, almost symbolizing Jesus. So many scenes are over the line.

    Let's get the facts straight. He married several young women including an underaged girl whom he gaslighted to believe that he is Messiah. Medical report later states that "twenty people, including five children under the age of 14, had been shot, and a three-year-old had been stabbed in the chest". Just tell it as it is. The director and writers clearly emphasize how stupid, irrational, violent, and unprofessional ATF and FBI were but downplay and omit aforementioned details. Do not dramatize or romanticize it. It ruins an already perfectly outstanding work.
  • It has been a quarter of a century but I still remember this event well and especially the fall out after words. It's a gripping series although others have raised concerns about it's accuracy. Anyone who paid attention to this event knows that the Branch Davidians were a cult and were accused of some serious crimes such as child abuse. The FBI was accused of recklessness in their assault of the cult's compound. This series will give credence to both points of view. At times, the Branch Davidians come across as harmless and close knit and David Koresh at time seems wise and kind. However, even if the series doesn't show most serious allegations against the group, it suggests Koresh was guilty of polygamy and statutory rape, which was enough to merit the attention of the authorities.
  • An amazing drama with great performances all around. As the title of my review implies, the tragedy comes down to stubbornness on both sides of this conflict. While the Branch Davidians are depicted more sympathetically than I expected, including David Koresh, he is still shown as uncompromising on certain issues despite the cost to his people and his followers as unable to break with him when it is in their best interest. And he is matched by those in charge of the ATF and FBI forces, who are smarting from the initial failed attempt to arrest Koresh and perhaps seeking revenge for the ATF men who died. Gary Noesner is the FBI negotiator who is trying to find a way to save lives. Even if you followed this story as it unfolded in the news, you will learn some things. And yet this dramatization does not neatly tie up all the loose ends and answer all the questions, leaving the viewer with much to ponder.
  • I completely disagree with many of the reviews that I've seen saying that this show "idolized Koresh". What were you guys watching? Koresh was painted in a very good light for the first couple of episodes but beyond that he was very very ugly in this series. They absolutely made a point of showing the pain he inflicted on his people and if you were rooting for him in the end.... I don't know what to tell you, that certainly isn't the vibe I got from the series.

    Seems to me this story was well told from both sides. A solid solid 78/100 from an entertainment point of view. I recommend a watch here.
  • I'm not sure what the motivation for portraying Koresh as a humble, understanding, all around good guy was. It's pretty disturbing that they would put this out there and give people the impression that it's factual. Koresh was a very mentally disturbed, narcissistic, evil person. That is a stone cold fact. He beat children as young as 8 months old, raped young girls and impregnated them, forced men to let him sleep with their wives. The scene where he catches the kid sneaking ice cream would've gone a lot differently in real life. He'd have beaten that kid mercilessly and forced him to sleep outside. He also provoked the fight with the ATF and FBI waaay more than is depicted in the show. He wanted a fight. In the end he lit children on fire because of his massive ego. Don't get me wrong, the FBI and ATF really screwed the pooch too, but to portray Koresh as an innocent victim just trying to live peacefully is a joke! The man was pure evil and just as, if not more, responsible for the deaths at the Waco compound as the US Government. After 3 episodes you can see it's anti government propaganda if you know the real story behind Koresh. Again, the government is not innocent by any stretch, but the story is ridiculously one sided. Great acting though.
  • docjekyll200223 August 2020
    8/10
    Wow!
    This one gave me a lot of insight into the story of what really happened. This is one of the saddest events in history. A lot of lessons can be learned here
  • jennvzbrown1 March 2018
    I cannot adequately communicate the brilliance and necessity of this masterpiece. So many people really knocked it out of the park when they put this together. The performances, the pace, the intensity, the dialogue, the perspectives, the transitions...nothing was left desiring when I finished this series. The legacy of an artwork like this lies in the emotions and beliefs it instills in its viewers, and the actions that result. The team that put this together knew what they wanted to say, and they said it flawlessly.
  • The tragedy at Waco told from the perspective of survivors and negotiators. Scarier than the scariest horror story/movie.
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