While many have quietly found themselves hoping that a Grand Theft Auto 6 announcement is imminent, developments today suggest fans are only setting themselves up for disappointment. According to UK tabloid the Daily Star, equity firm Jeffries recently held talks with industry veteran Darion Lowenstein. With Rockstar one of the more high-profile developers listed on his résumé, discussion quickly turned to the Grand Theft Auto franchise and, more specifically, when exactly he expected a sequel to 2013’s fifth installment to arrive.

You can find the pertinent details below but suffice it to say, the outlook doesn’t look good for those hoping for an imminent reveal.

“As a former Rockstar employee, Darion noted that the Houser brothers place all their emphasis on game quality rather than hitting a deadline,” Jeffries’ press release notes. “His absolute best-case-scenario for a game release is Holiday 2021,” it continues, “though he does not expect an announcement/trailer anytime soon.