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  • Seven years before Pat O'Brien played his most famous part as Knute Rockne he essayed the role of another college coach thereby giving same title to this flick. This guy is not the hero Rockne was. He's not above using a few dirty tactics to win a game. In a way this movie anticipates films like The Program, it's two generations ahead of it's time.

    Dick Powell is also in this as a smart football player who realizes he's in college to get an education. Not so Lyle Talbot who has eyes for O'Brien's wife played by Ann Dvorak. He's a ringer that O'Brien's brought in to win games and O'Brien's so preoccupied with winning he doesn't see the moves Talbot's making.

    Powell has one song to sing in this film, an item called Lonely Lane by Sammy Fain-Irving Kahal. Nice, but not up to the usual numbers Powell got in those Busby Berkeley extravaganzas.

    Fans of John Wayne and Ward Bond will get a chance to see both of them as football players which is what they were when working as prop men at the studios for summer eating money when John Ford spotted both of them. Wayne was doing some B westerns for Warner Brothers at the time and this was one of a few films he appeared in as a supporting player. One of a small handful.

    As I said, an interesting film and way ahead of it's time.
  • This is a fairly predictable story about a mercenary college football coach who will jump at the best offer. Interesting that in the 1930's many of the issues surrounding collegiate sports are similar to what exists today. Pat O'Brien did his usual nice job, this time as a fast talking, somewhat unscrupulous coach. Just 75 minutes long and kept my interest.
  • College Coach isn't a bad film in any respect and better than most of it's contemporary college football-themed brethren, but I'd like to make a few admittedly mild observations: watching it reminded me of the 40-year old looking college "kids" that would do walk-ons on Ozzie and Harriett in the early 60's. Almost all the principal football players here are over 30 (Lyle Talbot was 31, Guinn "Big Boy" Williams 33, Nat Pendleton was 37!)... even Dick Powell was 28 or so. This one's got almost all of Warner's stock company: Donald Meek, the underrated Arthur Hohl, Herman Bing (a tragic comedic character actor), daffy Hugh Herbert, and Guy Kibbee's brother, Milton. It seemed like half the cast of Footlight Parade's here. Another thing: even as late as 1933, college life was an unattainable netherworld to most of the audiences that paid 15-cents to see this. Having the college on the verge of insolvency managed to humanize an institution that might've as well been on Mars to most Depression-era Americans. Made during the late spring-early summer of pre-code 1933, this one's nowhere near as racy as many of the studio's other releases of the year. Bonus: keep your eyes peeled for John Wayne taking one of his many 1933 walk-on breaks from Warner's micro-budget Lone Star oaters. His future buddy (and fellow right-winger) Ward Bond is also on hand as an assistant coach. Still I don't know how Wellman (who had an astounding 7 films released that year!) sandwiched this between timely Wild Boys of the Road and the steamy Female.
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    This pre-code movie is interesting and entertaining on a few different levels. There's plenty of footage of real football games at a time when helmets were padded leather, as well as optional, and head injuries were commonplace. There's Pat O'Brien in an early, cynical, performance that's quite unlike the fatherly characters he settled into a few years later. But most of all, it's the way our expectations about what his character's fate is going to be (or should be) are shattered that makes this movie unique.

    O'Brien's character hires players for his college football team, bribes professors to make certain his players have passing grades, is involved in a shady real estate deal that will pay him a fortune if a football stadium gets built, plays around with other women behind his wife's back, and directs his team to gang up on an opposing player, which results in the man's death. The wages of these sins are that in the end he wins the season, gets the stadium deal, evades any responsibility for the death of the player, gets a higher-paying job offer, and lives happily ever after with his wife. This is an amazing affirmation of the corrupt life!

    It's also a pretty good movie, with O'Brien at his best.
  • "Calvert University" is facing bankruptcy. The board of trustees regret putting money into a science laboratory instead of financing football. "A winning football team is the answer to our problems," they agree. Since the Calvert players haven't won a game in three years, the college hires hard-nosed coach Pat O'Brien (as James Gore) to heat up the gridiron. Singing chemistry major Dick Powell (as Philip "Phil" Sargeant) is star player and the son of headmaster Arthur Byron (as Phillip Sargeant). Brought in to beef up the team, Lyle Talbot (as Herbert "Buck" Weaver) laments that Mr. Powell can't cook as the two become roommates...

    With some sissy spoken innuendos, Mr. Talbot seems to have an implicit sexual interest in Mr. Powell. Nothing happens there, apart from their fight being peculiarly shot from the waist down. Instead, Talbot becomes interested in Coach O'Brien's neglected wife, sexy Ann Dvorak (as Claire). She's hard to resist. Football players seem to pass exams without even turning in test papers, which irks Powell. Everything comes together for the climactic big game. John Wayne has a bit part after about 11 minutes, welcoming Powell to the picture. "College Coach" is interestingly immoral, and nicely directed by William A. Wellman.

    ****** College Coach (11/4/33) William A. Wellman ~ Pat O'Brien, Dick Powell, Lyle Talbot, Ann Dvorak
  • Interesting Pat O'Brien vehicle directed by William Wellman. Pat plays a college football coach with no morals or scruples at all. He's a totally corrupt, heartless SOB! Lyle Talbot plays the big-headed star of the team. Dick Powell is the honest goody-two-shoes who cares more about chemistry than football. Great support from Arthur Byron, Hugh Herbert, the lovely Ann Dvorak, Arthur Hohl, and Donald Meek. Nat Pendleton is also in this but he's way out of his depth as an immigrant student. Pretty terrible performance. Anyway, this one's worth checking out for the cast as well as the fact the movie flouts convention and basically has the "bad" people get away with everything!
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    If Saturday Night Live had existed in 1933 this is the football sketch they'd do. Too many reviewers have taken the film seriously. Obviously it's a farce. When the Marx Brothers did it in Monkey Business no one objected. The film simply took well known facts and exaggerated them using serious performers. This process was the same as another film the same year by Warner's: Grand Slam. By blowing everything out of proportion the studio puts a magnifying glass over absurd manias. The question here is whether it did a good job. As social commentary I give it an 8; for story and acting a 6. Add in all the famous faces and some comedy and the result is a film worth watching more than once.
  • Calvert College is going broke. The board decides to get a successful football team to bring in the revenue. Their football program hasn't won a game in three years. They agree to recruit famous Coach Gore (Pat O'Brien). Gore is big business and paid handsomely. He uses all the tricks to fill out his team. President's son Phil Sargent (Dick Powell) is a good athlete, but he's more sincere in his studies. He becomes one of the stars of the team, but he clashes with entitled player Buck Weaver (Lyle Talbot). Coach's wife Claire (Ann Dvorak) is not a happy camper.

    It's nice to know that corrupt college football has been a movie subject matter since the early days. I don't like any of these characters. I don't even like Phil. John Wayne has a bit part. I do like treating the subject seriously. I need a central character to root for. In this case, they need a young innocent lead player who slowly falls into the corrupt system.
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    The film starts with the trustees of Calvert College trying to decide how to avoid bankruptcy for their institution. During the discussion they listen to a college football game, where Coach Gore's team is drawing huge crowds. The trustees decide to hire Gore, played by Ed O'Brien, to solve the financial crisis.

    In order to get ahead, Gore does the following:

    (1) neglects his wife to the point where she decides to date one of the players. (2) hires ringers for his team, one of whom can barely speak English. (3) arranges for players to pass tests despite writing nothing (literally) in an exam book. (4) bribes a professor to help a player pass a test, and congratulates the professor when told he found a copy of the test and filled it out himself. (5) all but orders his players to attack an opponent in order to knock that opponent out of the game -- "Do I have to diagram it for you?" When that player dies from the injuries inflicted by Coach Gore's orders, the coach responds "Forty people die every year in football!" (6) buys land near the college with the intention of selling it to the college to build a football stadium, at a profit of $150,000 (remember, this is 1933). (7) lectures young people on the necessity of playing fairly (ie, unlike what he does the entire film).

    During the entire time of the movie, Coach Gore is never shown as -- (1) doing anything immoral, (2) having the slightest sense of remorse, or (3) being exposed, let alone brought to justice, for these actions. Indeed, none of his acts results in anything bad happening to him.

    At the movie's end; Coach Gore wins the big game, saves the college, gets a huge contract, completes his $150,000 deal and, despite constantly promising his wife he'll quit the game in order to spend more time with her, gets a big kiss from her as he (again) breaks his promise to her.

    www.artsreformation.com/a001/hays-code.html

    The 1930 Hays Code is pretty clear:

    General Principles

    1. ... the sympathy of the audience should never be thrown to the side of crime, wrongdoing, evil or sin.

    Pat O'Brien clearly present a sympathetic character, one who suffers in no way (not even guilt) over the above actions. So what is the film trying to say? It's either: (1) none of the above actions are criminal, or even wrong. (2) they are wrong, but perfectly acceptable as long as you win the game.

    Warner Brothers, of all the studios, was perfectly willing to present shady people doing slimy things as the lead characters in their films. However, the person doing these things would always ending up "paying" for the immorality. It doesn't happen in this film. I'd LIKE to think this was a dark satire on the immorality of college sports, but I can't help but conclude it just blithely shows a coach who succeeds in all he does despite violating just about every norm of decent behavior.

    As an aside, John Wayne makes an appearance for a few seconds, and speaks a few words.
  • ksf-221 December 2019
    SO many fun, big names in this one. Dick Powell was the new, hot guy in hollywoood. His co-stars Anne Dvorak and Pat O'Brien had been around a couple years more. Even Lyle Talbot and Hugh Herbert were regulars in the biz. O'Brien is "Coach", determined to make something of his school, no matter what the cost. the awesome Donal Meek is in here as Professor Trask. Meek was a fun, little supporting part of so many films. his low-key, mild mannered innocent bystander bit zinged up every film he was in. Coach pushes the guys, including team captain Phil (Powell) and the whole team. even those paid guys who shouldn't even be on the team. and Coach's home life suffers. Weaver (Talbot) doesn't like being told what to do, even by the team captain. Check out some old scenes from around Los Angeles 1933. and a couple of very suggestive lines, since we were still prior to the film code being enforced. it's pretty good. story line is good enough, but it came across as a pretty ordinary story, reflecting the issues of the time in college football. Directed by William Wellman... probably his biggest show was "A Star is Born". worked with many of the greats.
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    Wow, was this football film a big surprise! If you assume that because Pat O'Brien stars in this film as a college football coach that it is another film in the tradition of KNUTE ROCKNE ALL American or THE IRON MAJOR, then are you in for a BIG surprise!!! Instead of the decent coach who emphasizes clean living and good sportsmanship, Coach Gore in this film emphasizes that nothing, I repeat nothing, should stand in the way of winning! Because of this, COLLEGE COACH stands out as the only true representation of NCAA football I have ever seen!! Here are just a few more of the wonderful object lessons this film actually gives:

    If you need to pay players, fix grades or resort to underhanded and illegal business practices--who cares?!

    Because college football can be expensive, cut out unnecessary subjects like chemistry!

    Whereas in practically every previous college football film (such as BROWN AT HARVARD), there was a fat-headed player who thought he was the entire team by himself. In all these films, the guy gets his big comeuppance. Here, however, he wins the big game and all is forgiven--such as how he let the team down and was dating the coach's wife!

    Steal a copy of the big exam and give it to a struggling football player.

    When the wife is upset because the coach ALWAYS neglects her, after the wife leaves him, she returns any way--even though he's not reformed one bit.

    When the film ends, the coach (who promised to quit football) accepts a HUGE pay increase at a rival college--even though it might mean losing his wife.

    Have the coach and a colleague make an illegal land deal and by the end of the film have it pay them off handsomely--with no one the wiser!

    When the team is losing badly, send in goons to hurt the other team's star. Too bad that the injuries resulted in the death of the player!!!

    I could go on and on, but the bottom line is that this script is evil and teaches kids all the wrong lessons. Whereas in the 1930s this might have been shocking, today it just seems like confirmation of what we've known all along! By the way, this incredibly cynical film could not have been made even a year or so later, as the new and toughened Hollywood Production Code mandated that evil be punished (it never was in this film) and that things such as truth and good sportsmanship prevail!! Overall, a highly cynical and nasty film that is entertaining for exactly those reasons. While the writing and acting are rather poor, it certainly is an interesting curio.

    In closing, a few final interesting facts. "College Boys" Dick Powell and Lyle Talbot were in actuality 29 and 30 years old respectively when the film debuted. Also, in a brief parade scene, you see a banner for the National Recovery Act with the giant NRA eagle, though this wasn't adopted until June, 1933 and the film was set in 1932.
  • I usually like the movies that Warner Bros. put out in the 30's and I liked this little film. Dick Powell is supposedly the main character but to be honest he's not in the film much - Pat O'Brien and Lyle Talbot steal the show. Pat, as usual, is great in the role as the college coach and Ann Dvorak, a very under-rated actress, is wonderful in her small role as his poor wife, he is more into football than he is into her. ;-)Her beauty is really something to behold! Lyle Talbot though really impresses here, usually his roles were small and his talent was never used the way it could've/should've been, but he is wonderful as the loveable bonehead who is only good at one thing - FOOTBALL! Dick Powell was a bit miscast in my opinion as a footballer who is into chemistry although we do get to hear him sing, which is always nice.

    Anyway - if you have some free time and this is on tv I advise you to check it out. It's a little entertaining bit o' fun!
  • College Coach is the story of a college that invests so much of it's money into schooling that it becomes financially insecure. The board decides that what the school needs to bring in the necessary revenue is to hire an excellent football coach and focus on the sport. Coach Gore is hired (Pat O'Brien), a tough, somewhat crooked man whose interest in money and winning makes for an unbeatable team. Phil Sargeant (Dick Powell) and Buck Weaver (Lyle Talbot) are the two stars of the team. Phil also has an interest in integrity and chemistry while Buck is only interested in fame and in his coach's wife (Ann Dvorak). However, with success comes failure and several pitfalls hinder the team including the discovery that Coach Gore has passed some players that should have failed simply to win games.

    If this film sounds interesting to you, it is probably because you already like football. If you're looking for a look at relationships, then skip this movie. And if you're a big Dick Powell fan like I am, don't expect to see much of your star. He sings one mediocre song and fades into the background fairly early in the film despite being credited first. It is really O'Brien that is the star with Talbot following closely after.
  • The cast of COLLEGE COACH (1933) reads like a veritable "Who's Who" of 1930s supporting players. Familiar faces abound, albeit in small parts. In this one film we see similar beefy types Guinn "Big Boy" Williams and Nat Pendleton side-by-side, along with Joe Sauers (Sawyer). I was thinking that all we were missing was Ward Bond in one of his early bit roles, but he turns up as well. (I'm sure the football-themed story had a lot to do with this assemblage.) The main stars are Pat O'Brien, Lyle Talbot, Dick Powell, and Ann Dvorak, who are supported by Hugh Herbert and Donald Meek. The unmistakable Herman Bing has a scene, and who has a brief exchange with Powell in an early scene but a young John Wayne.

    The story involves a college hiring a hotshot football coach in hopes of generating enough revenue from the team's success to save the school. The plot is then driven by three characters: Pat O'Brien as the dirty coach who builds championship teams through unethical means, Lyle Talbot as the hotshot football star whose ego is an issue on the field and off, and Dick Powell as the honest student-athlete who's captain of the team and a wiz in the chemistry lab. Ann Dvorak is O'Brien's neglected wife who begins spending her free evenings with Talbot.

    The movie seems to be sending some odd messages. O'Brien's coach is an unlikable character. He runs a racket building his football legacy. He secretly enlists paid athletes (mercenaries) for the school team and rigs their academic standing to keep them eligible to play. He has a publicist build up his public image while he runs crooked financial deals behind closed doors. His ruthless on-field tactics lead to tragedy. He hops from one school to its rival for a fatter paycheck. And on top of it all, he neglects his poor wife.

    But it seems clear that Pat O'Brien is the star attraction of the movie and that the audience is meant to somehow sympathize with him. Toward the end of the movie, the audience is asked to root for one unlikable character (Talbot's show-off quarterback) to come to the rescue of another unlikable character (O'Brien, who's facing ruin without his star players). The only likable character in the mix is Powell, who wanders out of the plot for a while, before returning to save the school, not O'Brien. O'Brien deserved some sort of comeuppance. The script ultimately rewards his behavior.

    This is a minor film from the Warner Bros. vaults, but worth checking out if one is a fan of any of the stars. It also offers an intriguing look at the game of football, circa 1933. The manual scoreboards seem so complicated (cluttered?).

    Dick Powell, fresh off his successes in Busby Berkeley musicals, is pretty good as a clean-cut college student who's not afraid to get tough. He puts cocky teammate Talbot in his place on more than one occasion. The most interesting angle in the movie, I believe, is the relationship between the two. Two sides of the same coin. An odd couple. Teammates on the field, roommates off it. They hated each other's guts, but they joined forces at the end. Too bad this angle wasn't developed as much as it could have been, with Powell's character quickly losing relevance to the main Pat O'Brien plot.

    The movie's okay, but nothing special. The cast of bit players is interesting for 1930s movie buffs. But it seems odd that the movie makes a hero out of such a shyster.
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    I could go on and on with football related movie references, but three is the charm. Pretty much everyone concerns a loser college who finally scores big, and this one is no difference. It's typical tough talking Warner Brothers comedy, with romance and music thrown in among the watermelon being tossed around in a cow pasture. The dramatic plot concerns the ruthless measures the coach goes to in order to have a winning team which threatens the college's reputation.

    Pat O'Brien is the amoral big city college coach who takes a giant raise to move on, taking much neglected wife Ann Dvorak with him. The players flirt with her and at first ignoring them or cracking wise, she eventually becomes tempted thanks to lecherous Lyle Talbot, while crooner player Dick Powell who can toss around a ball with the force of how he throws around a song finds ethics while dealing with O'Brien's shady methods. Players who don't turn in test papers somehow pass, and the most idiotic of players even chooses zoology as a course, simply out of memory of milking his cow.

    The three leads are surrounded by true greats in the area of character actor comics, among them Nat Pendleton, Donald Meek and Frank McHugh. In spite of being awfully predictable, it flows due to witty lines and strong direction by William Wellman. Maybe not the cream of the crop, but worse fields have had worse balls tossed around on them.
  • Slow-witted Warners nonsense, directed by an uncharacteristically sleepwalking William Wellman, about college football. Pat O'Brien, sputtering and sparking with great enthusiasm, is the greatest football coach in the world, constantly being hired from college to college. He lands at a generic school that hasn't won a game in years and quickly turns the team around, aided by such superannuated undergrads as boastful Lyle Talbot and thoughtful Dick Powell. (He sings one song that has to do with nothing else.) Much football footage, none of it terribly exciting, and the moral seems to be, if you want to win the game, fatally injure the opposing star quarterback. Ann Dvorak, looking glum, also gets mixed up in this, as O'Brien's ever-neglected wife, while Hugh Herbert and Donald Meek do their usual thing on the sidelines. It's a wonder Frank McHugh doesn't turn up. Warners pictures of this vintage usually have smart wisecracks and some social consciousness, but this lacks both, and Dick Powell is not what you'd call a convincing star college football player. As it ground to a triumphant finish, I was mentally revisiting all the superior Wellman product from the decade, and wishing this would turn into "Public Enemy."
  • Recently Turner Classic Movies ( TCM ), on cable television, hosted a day of college football related movies, including this vehicle for Dick Powell and Ann Dvorak, and "Huddle" with Ramon Novarro. They are two really great films but they are totally different in their approach to the social setting and context of college sports.

    Without having a clear understanding of the dire economic situation then prevalent in the United States -- the Depression Era -- it isn't really possible to grasp the full and emotional meaning of either "College Coach," or "Huddle." The banking crisis of 1928 prefaced the infamous melt-down in the American stock market in 1929, when hundreds of thousands of small- and medium-sized investors lost their equity when stock prices tumbled. The reason so many lost their equities, was not specifically because the companies were failing ( or collapsing ), but because they had purchased stock issues 'on margin,' or by borrowing money against the future value of the issue.

    The banking crisis -- which had its roots in the success of new farming methods, which perversely drove down agricultural prices as yields rose dramatically -- led to a tightening of credit and credit extension rules. So, the sudden drop and then free-fall of stock prices wiped out the value of equity and banks were forced to call the loans made to individuals and companies for their 'margin' purchases. Both the well-to-do and the new middle-class got hurt bad by this ...

    Simultaneously, from 1919 to 1939, the supposedly amateur world of college football -- which had evolved rapidly in the years from 1890 to 1916 -- was itself revolutionized by the almost-hysterical frenzy of football fans, which arose during the "Roaring '20s". In the first decades of the collegiate game, the truly great football powers were also the leading elite colleges, like Brown, Colgate, Columbia, Cornell, Dartmouth, Holy Cross, Princeton, Harvard and Yale. The great State universities followed suit in this time, and this included Maryland, North Carolina and Virginia, and the football legends of Army and Navy, the U.S. service academies. In the '20s all these programs drew huge numbers of ticket-buying fans to their new stadiums.

    The actual plot of "College Coach" is actually baffling: a movie fan going to see this film in 1933 would have easily identified with the dire situation of Calvert University, facing bankruptcy at the opening of the story, and would have accepted their crazy idea of reaping revenues from having a winning football team. And the only way to get a winning football team on the field ( Calvert hasn't won a game in three years at the beginning of this story ), is to hire a coach who has absolutely no scruples at all. A coach who looks at the playing field as a battlefield, and football as being war. A coach who can and will recruit 'tramp athletes,' or transients, who can provide the flash and firepower on the playing field that the sports-loving public adores.

    That's what the "College Coach" they hire, does, exactly.

    The subtext of this film is an indictment of the lesser tiers of the college football world in that time, as the tramp players get paid off with cash, off the books, and get excused from having to do any real academic work. None of that was allowed at the truly great institutions of higher learning, in the '20s and '30s, but it was done with "a wink and a nod" at a lot of the lesser schools. Some athletes played for as many as three different teams in one season, usually under different aliases ( and always for money ).

    Both the structure and the resolution of the story in this film are examples of a very amoral philosophy: Sinclair Lewis highlighted some aspects of this way of thinking in his great novel, "Babbit." This is a great film, if viewed as being a social commentary, but it simply isn't a great "Dick Powell film." He's just barely in the movie at all, in terms of the reality of the storyline, set against the Depression.

    The final scenes of "College Coach" rip into the stuffings of that amoral way of thinking while also settling the facts of the coach's economic propositions. This incredibly unscrupulous "coach" gets his big wins, by cheating, and he isn't punished for anything he's done that is wrong or unethical, or even fatal in its results. He and his luxury-loving wife are rewarded for this behavior ....

    The moral of the story of "College Coach" is clear: bend the rules, break the rules, win, and if you get caught ... obfuscate, obfuscate, and then lie.
  • Michael_Elliott27 February 2008
    College Coach (1933)

    *** (out of 4)

    Warner film about Coach James Gore (Pat O'Brien) who is hired by a college to turn their football team into winners. Gore is able to do this in one season but some of the trustees don't like how he did it. Fixing test scores, playing players to come to school and overlooking various other violations are just some of the ways of winning. Dick Powell plays a player who wants to play fair, Lyle Talbot is the star of the team who doesn't care if he's failing all his classes and Ann Dvorak plays Gore's wife. There's a lot to enjoy in this film even though there are still quite a few flaws. The strongest thing going are the performances, which are really strong and that includes O'Brien who comes off like a real coach. Talbot steals the film however as the ruthless idiot who only knows football. Even John Wayne and Joe Sawyer plays small parts as members of the team. It was weird watching a football game from this era in the way it was played compared to today and I'm not sure if it's true but the film gives some numbers as to how many people are killed playing the sport during this time, which was pretty shocking.
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    . . . "Coach Gore" says in defending himself for ordering a fatal hit on the opposing team's star player. As the title character of the always eponymous Warner Bros.' COLLEGE COACH, Gore is used to warn America of Today's nefarious Sports\Industrial Complex. Why say "Today's"? Because Warner's prophetic prognosticators insert a totally anachronistic Big Screen TV just 4:46 into this flick, which no doubt mystified contemporary viewers. However, the Whitewater-style shady land deals, the coach's broadcast shows, the coach's shoe company contracts, the coach's multi-million dollar salaries, the illegally recruited players paid under the table and given passing college marks for being dumber than the goal posts all smack more of 21st Century Big Football than anything out of the 20th Century. Warner's seers depict Gore as a totally amoral loose cannon available to the highest bidder, with a career path blazing the trail for a future coach who would forsake the Spartans to eventually wallow in a Crimson Tide. Warner underlines the urgency of this warning against corrupt, brain-snuffing football by putting this flick under the directorship of the HEROES FOR SALE man, and humiliating Real Life grid-iron drop-out "Marion Milly Morrison" with a part HALF the size of the newsboy's (just compare 11:53 with 27:30!).