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  • bkoganbing6 February 2008
    This first film version of the Rachel Crothers play finds Robert Montgomery as the irrepressible playboy who will do just about anything to win Myrna Loy back from the clutches of married publisher Frank Morgan. Even if that means bringing Morgan's wife Ann Harding into the picture. And When Ladies Meet, watch out.

    A later version was done by MGM but with more of an emphasis on the mistress than the wife. Joan Crawford had Myrna Loy's role and Ann Harding's part was done by Greer Garson.

    Robert Taylor played Montgomery's role and the difference between the two films is the quality of their performances. Taylor had developed a real gift for light comedy, but for Robert Montgomery this kind of part was what made his reputation.

    Frank Morgan was far better than Herbert Marshall because he played the role as the two timing rat he was. You watch Marshall's performance and you'd think he was the wronged party. As for Morgan, no one loved him more than I in the role of the inept bumbler he usually played, but parts like in When Ladies Meet and also in Hallelujah, I'm a Bum do show him to good advantage in other kinds of roles.

    It's hard to choose between Garson and Harding though. Both of them have the best part in the film and both make equally good use of it. Each are the best in their respective casts.

    Eliminated from the second version is a great deadpan performance by Sterling Holloway as the allergy prone golf caddy who destroys Montgomery's game as he's playing with Harding.

    The original play ran on Broadway for 191 performances in the 1932-1933 season and starred Walter Abel, Frieda Inescourt, Herbert Rawlinson and Selena Royle. Ironically all of these folks had substantial film careers, but could never be classified as any kind of box office.

    When Ladies Meet is witty and bright and a great example of the sophisticated type comedy that's just not being done any more.
  • Though dated by modern standards, When Ladies Meet carried a popular message in the early part of the 20th century. It also carried a controversial argument, and both sides are explored in the film: can a wife and a mistress calmly and rationally solve their differences? If that seems interesting to you, rent this version-not the remake.

    Myrna Loy stars as a young, modern authoress who has fallen in love with her publisher, Frank Morgan. He's married, but Myrna's never met his wife, and from her point of view, he's unhappy at home. She decides to prove her point to the world by writing her next novel based on her current situation with a twist ending of wishful thinking; in the end of her novel, the young woman confronts the man's wife and explains how much she loves him. The wife is gracious and realizes the sensible thing would be to give her husband a divorce, and all parties are happy. The trouble is, no one likes Myrna's unpublished manuscript. Frank claims it's unrealistic, as does Myrna's ardent and often rebuffed suitor, Robert Montgomery.

    I won't tell you exactly what happens next, but I will say that Myrna gets a chance to test her theory with Frank's wife, Ann Harding. Before I saw this version, I tried watching the 1941 remake but couldn't get through it; now I know it was because the film was badly cast. In place of him who's so innocent she doesn't really know what she's doing is Joan Crawford. In place of the man so in love with her he refuses to look at another woman is Robert Taylor. In place of the married publisher who gets caught up in his emotions and isn't capable of rationality is Herbert Marshall. In place of the discarded wife who couldn't keep his interest at home is Greer Garson. How are any of these choices believable?

    The 1933 original is very well cast and very believable. Myrna nails the attitude of a young person certain in her convictions without knowing what they are, and yet she's not so irritating you can't forgive her for her ignorance. Frank Morgan seems troubled, and it's totally believable he might not know exactly what he wants. Ann Harding is plain enough to make you understand why Frank has strayed, but she's strong enough to make you believe she'll put up a fight. This version is very good, so if you want to watch a representation of a bygone era check it out.
  • savoir21 March 2003
    What a thought provoking and stimulating movie. One begins to sense what was lost due restriction of the Hays Commission. The svelte Ann Harding steels the show. She literally makes you fall in love with her character. Frank Morgan's role was very different from those that he later played. The sincere caring that the two female characters had for one another shows a sophistication that is as entrancing as it is admirable.
  • I wonder if millennials have even heard of the double standard. It used to be a real thing and a well-know phrase. It underlies one of the threads of this film's plot. Simply put, it meant it was OK for a man to have sex before marriage but if a woman did she was "a fallen woman" "a tramp" and some worse names. This begs the question of with whom the males were supposed to romp, but that's in tomorrow's lesson.

    The central character is Mary (Myrna Loy), a successful novelist, unmarried and in love with a married man. She has based the protagonist of her latest, almost-finished, novel on herself. In the end of the novel this character gets the man and all concerned, even the wife, approve because their love is something so wonderful. This makes for a clever plot device in the film, as Mary gets to discuss the work in progress with various people with various degrees of understanding how autobiographical it is. One of these conversations leads to the film's climax and is a genuinely unsettling scene.

    The hero, Jimmie (Robert Montgomery), is a type common in 1930s films, The Idle Rich Playboy With a Heart of Gold. He lectures her sternly on the importance of the double standard, gallantly explaining "Gosh, I've persuaded so many women and hated them afterward." The noble virtuous sort. Naturally he has an ulterior motive, namely Mary, whom he wants for himself, but only if legitimized by the marriage ceremony, and of course undefiled.

    Jimmie's efforts don't stop there. He manages to intrude or otherwise disturb Mary and her lover whenever they have a moment together. It took me a while to realize that he was doing so to prevent their affair from being "consummated" as they used to say, since in the year 2020 I at first assumed it had already been consummated.

    So, like many early-30s films, it's not only well done but gives you some insight into what was going on in those days. And as in many such, the final twists and turns look predictable but turn out be not exactly what you expected.

    Definitely not an "action" film and a bit of a talkfest at times. Sometimes the characters seem to be debating rather than conversing. Lightened a bit by Alice Brady as a ditsy middle-aged rich woman with a boy toy. Her character helps move the plot along in places by blabbing people's secrets, then pretending it was an accident. You know the type.
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    Excellent dialogue and compelling interpersonal exploration mark this sophisticated pre-code comedy, drama with terrific performances by all the principals in the cast including: Ann Harding, Robert Montgomery, Myrna Loy, Alice Brady, Frank Morgan, even Sterling Holloway (though very briefly & uncredited as a caddy).

    Directed by Harry Beaumont with a screenplay co-written by John Meehan, the film's Art Direction earned Cedric Gibbons his second Academy Award nomination. When the film was remade in 1941, with Joan Crawford, Robert Taylor, Greer Garson, Herbert Marshall, and Spring Byington, Gibbons earned his twelfth Art Direction Oscar nomination.

    Loy plays a writer who won't marry Montgomery but instead goes off with her married publisher Morgan. Ironically, her latest unpublished work, about a married man and his mistress, is actually a thinly veiled account of her affair with him. In the book, the married man leaves his wife for his mistress and he and the mistress live happily ever after. Montgomery reads the books and says it doesn't ring true. Morgan's married to Harding. Brady plays a mutual friend whose home becomes the place where most of the truths come to light.

    Loy and Morgan are there for a rendezvous; Montgomery hears of it, and brings Harding to the "party". Loy and Harding have some discussions during which Harding figures out what's going on and Loy becomes fond of her "rival". Montgomery learns that Morgan's intentions, as he suspected, are not entirely honorable. All along, he'd rightly suspected that Morgan was just enjoying Loy's company and "services" with no intention of leaving his wife for her. Harding plays the long suffering wife of a man who strays, yet always accepts him back after he'd had his fun. The initially confident Loy becomes disillusioned.
  • .....that you can't help but like. Whether it's her unusual beauty, her sensuous speaking voice, her obvious intelligence - all together she has enormous appeal. She was extremely popular in the early thirties before fans tired of her "stiff upper lip" portrayals and they found favourites with more down to earth appeal. Her best known film is probably "The Animal Kingdom" and the cinema rivalry in that film between Harding and Myrna Loy was such a hit that they were paired again in "When Ladies Meet", a scintillating comedy adapted from Rachel Crothers play.

    Mary Howard (Myrna Loy) is a best selling author who is seeing a lot of her publisher, Rogers Woodruf - for business purposes!!! Her dizzy friend Bridgit (Alice Brady) tells her she should "go for it" after all his wife is an "awful dub"!! "He's a married man" - "I know, the best ones always are"!! Unbeknownst to everyone they are having a very secret affair. Her new book is very close to her heart - it is about a woman, having an affair with a married man, who wants to confront his wife and have a heart to heart talk - her lover is against it, much the same as her real life situation.

    Meanwhile, Jimmie Lee (an annoying Robert Montgomery), who spends a lot of his free time proposing to Mary, who rejects him just as frequently, starts spending time with Claire (Ann Harding), Roger Woodruf's wife, who is more darling than dub!!! Knowing that Mary is staying at Bridgit's for the weekend, he "accidentally on purpose" brings Claire for a visit. Even though their friendship is platonic, for a gag, Jimmie suggests they give the impression that they are... .... to make Mary jealous -"I'm dust under her feet - not the cream in her coffee"!!! Claire throws herself into her role with great gusto - "Jimmy-Jimmy, did I leave my handkerchief with you, when we were waiting to be alone!!!"

    The film only picks up when Ann Harding appears - even though she didn't appear until almost half an hour into the film. MGM was just starting to realise what they had in Myrna Loy. Even though she is the second billed actress - she is the main character. But Ann Harding was a real delight, I agree with some of the other reviewers, she steals the movie with her elegance and sophistication, the scenes between her and Myrna Loy are riveting to watch. The first half hour was pretty "talkie" without much being said. Robert Montgomery, who has never been a favourite of mine, played his usual type, shallow playboy who never seems to have employment (he is supposed to be a reporter and he occasionally mentions deadlines, but never meets them)!!!! Frank Morgan plays Rogers Woodruf, the publisher both women seem to be crazy about. But apart from Alice Brady as balmy Bridgit, together Ann Harding and Myrna Loy wipe everyone else off the screen. The conversations they have "When Ladies Meet" make for essential viewing.

    Highly Recommended.
  • I was so prepared to fall in love with this film, after hearing glowing remarks about it from other people. So I sat down to watch, expecting a real precode treat, and what I saw was a very unrealistic and rather silly scenario of two women appearing to like each other, one who is married and has children (Ann Harding) by the other lady's publisher (Frank Morgan), while he conducts a secret affair with the writer (Myrna Loy). Sound complicated and sleazy already? You're starting to get the picture.

    Bob Montgomery plays a real airhead here and I had no patience with him. He is in love with the Myrna Loy writer character who is having the affair with the married man, and is low down enough to bring the publisher's unsuspecting wife to the trysting place of her husband and his paramour, knowing that eventually there will be a major confrontation and people he supposedly likes will be hurt. I usually love Bob Montgomery, but he really tried my patience here with this character. He behaves like a spoiled kid who whines because he can't have a lollipop he's always wanted. I also usually love Myrna Loy, but her character here was an idiot. I kept talking to her through the screen, "Wake up! You know you don't really believe all this 'live and let live' nonsense you're spouting." (Yes, I know, I'm losing it, talking to dead actors on a screen, but hey, it takes all kinds to make a world). ;)

    Ann Harding was the only one who showed some dignity in this story, and I enjoyed her performance. One wonders how her character was so stupid to marry this publisher in the first place though.

    Comic relief was also supplied by fruitcake Alice Brady and her ever-present, obvious lover, the piano player Walter (played delightfully by an actor named Martin Burton, who had me giggling like crazy; would love to see more of his work).

    7 out of 10.
  • I saw this movie on TCM about a week ago, I had a blast. Ann Harding and Myrna Loy was excellent in this movie. Ann Harding may have stolen the show because she had the stronger role, I guess she was a bigger star than Myrna Loy at the time. Myrna Loy did a superb job with the role she was given by her MGM bosses. I never saw Myrna Loy cried in movie before, so she cried in this movie I was take aback, I said "Man she is good", she was very believable. I won't spoil it for you, but if you can get a copy, buy it. I am looking for one myself. Robert Montgomery proved to me that he is a fine comedian and a fine actor, because he more than held his own with the likes Ann Harding and Myrna Loy, but the stars of this movie are Ann Harding and Myrna Loy. This Movie is a Classic, I can't stop watching it.
  • Adapted from, and probably not that different from, a Rachel Crothers stage play of the previous season, this marital trifle wants to be a sophisticated comedy, but isn't that comedic and isn't that sophisticated. The tale of a writer (Loy) pursued by a playboy (Montgomery) but having an affair with her publisher (Morgan) in front of his wife (Harding)'s eyes, it's agreeably pre-Code in that there's much unapologetic drinking and much fairly frank discussion of adultery, but the jokes are mostly variations on somebody's-in-bed-with-somebody-they-shouldn't-be-in-bed-with, and Alice Brady, as the ditsy socialite meddling in everybody's affairs, is one-note, the same note she plied in many similar performances. We're supposed to root for Montgomery, but he's rather smirky, and Loy, while beautiful and accomplished, is a little hard to believe as having the wit and thoughtfulness to pen one bestseller after another. Harding's intelligent and feminine, as always, but she's played this part before and isn't adding anything new to it. It's stagy and static (and where, oh where, did they get the idea that that's what a Lower East Side apartment would look like?), and the ending's unsatisfyingly ambiguous--so, do they end up together or don't they? Not that one cares much.
  • New York City reporter Robert Montgomery (as Jimmie Lee) is in love with novelist Myrna Loy (as Mary Howard), but she won't accept his marriage proposals. She's in love with married publisher Frank Morgan (as Rogers Woodruf). In order to make Ms. Loy jealous, Mr. Montgomery persuades Mr. Morgan's wife Ann Harding (as Clare) to pose as his love interest "Mrs. Clara Clare". Loy's socialite friend Alice Brady (as Bridget Drake) offers advice and plays host to the cast at her country home. Rachel Crothers' sophisticated stage play retains a few amusing elements, after all these years. Would like to have seen more of Ms. Brady with companion Martin Burton (as Walter Manners). Enjoyed seeing Sterling Hayden as a caddy spreading hay fever.

    ***** When Ladies Meet (6/23/33) Harry Beaumont ~ Robert Montgomery, Myrna Loy, Ann Harding, Alice Brady
  • I saw and reviewed the 1941 remake of "When Ladies Meet" almost three years ago. I was a bit cold on the film--and thought it should have been much better considering the star-filled cast. However, when I saw the 1933 version today, I really appreciated it. This leads me to wonder--is the original version that much better or has my taste just changed over the last few years? I am not sure which--but I can highly recommend this earlier film.

    The film is about adultery--a common topic during the Pre-Code era (up until mid 1934 when the new Production Code tightened the moral code within Hollywood's films). At first, it appears to actually endorse it or take a judgment neutral view--as Myrna Loy and Frank Morgan prepare to run off together even though Morgan is married. However, Loy's friend (Robert Montgomery) inexplicably loves her and wants to split the pair up because he feels this relationship is wrong. So, he connives to have Loy meet the wife (Ann Harding). What happens here is what makes the film so good--the women don't know who the other one actually is and they become friends. Only later do they discover the truth. I loved this final portion and I'd say more, but I don't want to ruin it. Suffice to say, it handles this moral quandary in a responsible and satisfying manner.

    Aside from a few quibbles (such as why Montgomery wants Loy is she shows such selfish behaviors), I really enjoyed the film. Fine acting and a nice script make for an adult film that really is as good and hard-hitting today as it was back in 1933. Well worth seeing.
  • Why is it that, these days, the term "sophisticated comedy" is synonymous with "something that isn't at all funny?"

    Back in the seventies, Norman Lear made TV sitcoms more "sophisticated" by making them "socially relevant." This became all the rage. As a result, there hasn't been a genuinely funny American sitcom since Green Acres. Thank goodness for the BBC, with such gems as "Keeping Up Appearances."

    "When Ladies Meet" goes even beyond these doldrums, however. I can't see why it's classified as a comedy at all. While it's not a tragedy in the Greek sense, where everyone is dead by the end, it certainly deserves to be classed as a drama rather than a comedy. Sure, there are some funny lines, mostly provided by Luis Alberni and Alice Brady, but they are much more like comedy relief than any kind of main flow of the story. I wouldn't even say there was much of a happy ending, although the finish is ambiguous enough that one can easily be imagined, a very trite one, at that.

    Myrna Loy monopolizes the show, and handles this meaty role quite capably, although I much prefer her in comedy roles, particularly as the unparalleled Nora Charles in the "Thin Man" series (which are genuine "sophisticated comedies" by the pre-1971 meaning of the term).

    Frank Morgan plays his brother Ralph, staid and serious. In fact, I had to look back at the credits more than once to make sure it was indeed Frank and not Ralph. There is nothing in his performance of the bubbly, bumbling, endearing character that he has played in so many other movies, notably "The Affairs of Cellini," and, of course, "The Wizard of Oz."

    Robert Montgomery plays a conservative, stuffy "Family Values" type, once again quite out of character for the sprightly devil-may-care youthful adventurer that he has played so often in film. In fact, I found his stodginess to be quite at odds with his young age, and rather unbelievable. He plays a typical hypocrite who sees nothing the least bit wrong with men having multiple extra-marital affairs, but feels it is absolute anathema for a woman to even contemplate doing so. His character is abrasive and unpleasant throughout. He is thoroughly detestable.

    The story is perhaps sophisticated for its time, but is barely so today. While these issues must still exist in our modern world, it is hard for me to believe that they would be handled with the same Biblical, Victorian attitudes that calcify the plot and especially the dialog in this movie. At least, one would hope not.

    An interesting story, well developed, well acted, with almost no surprises. And definitely not a comedy, by the definition "something that will make you laugh."
  • moonspinner553 September 2006
    1933 comedy isn't too creaky, despite its age. Droll adaptation (the first of two) of Rachel Crothers' play about a female writer who has penned a fictional account of an affair she had with a married man, later unknowingly befriending the jilted wife at a dinner party. Some very tart lines and smart performances by Ann Harding, Myrna Loy and Frank Morgan, but the direction (reportedly troubled) is somewhat sluggish. Robert Montgomery is an acting casualty, and the 85-minute film takes a good 45 minutes to warm up. Later remade in 1941 with Joan Crawford, and perhaps was the starting point for Allan Burns and Mary Tyler Moore's "Just Between Friends". ** from ****
  • I had a blast watching this sparkling and affable MGM classic - the first and best adaptation of Crothers' luridly sophisticated play, beautifully shot in black and white with some stylish Cedric Gibbons art direction. Elegant and effervescent, this pre-Code film is a triumph of casting: Myrna Loy, Ann Harding, Robert Montgomery, Alice Brady, and Frank Morgan all in top form. Loy is surprisingly enjoyable as the lady novelist Mary who is deeply in love with the publisher Rodge (Morgan). I agree Ann Harding steals the show; she never looked beautiful and radiant as the wife of the publisher. Alice Brady is a revelation as the whimsical society matron Bridget. The film sometimes feels too gabby but it is aided by the stars' charisma and a tremendously witty dialogue.
  • Jimmie Lee (Robert Montgomery) is in love with writer Mary Howard (Myrna Loy) but she's attracted to her publisher Rogers Woodruf (Frank Morgan) who is married to Clare (Ann Harding). The two women don't know each other. Jimmie is desperate to break up Mary and Rogers by putting the ladies together.

    I love Myrna Loy and she's blonde in this one. Problem is that I hate both guys. Jimmie is too clingy and Rogers is a cheater. She's also not that innocent. It leaves me thinking if this is actually a comedy. I don't really like these characters. It doesn't prevent it from being funny but it's not funny. Maybe it's not a comedy after all or maybe it's a comedy of manners. The best scene is "When Ladies Meet". The two women have the big conversation by themselves. They don't actually know each other's identity as they talk about their situation. It's not funny but it is a compelling exchange. This is pre-Code and I assume the subject matter would be rejected by the code.
  • "Oh, that's Victorian bunk. You're even out of touch with your own sex, Jimmie."

    There are some really nice elements in this film, starting with the power trio of Myrna Loy, Ann Harding, and Alice Brady (Brady especially!), and including some open questioning of conventional morality. Unfortunately, the film's also got Frank Morgan who is woefully miscast, Robert Montgomery as a smarmy guy mansplaining things to his friend when he isn't hitting on her, and a feel-good, unsatisfying resolution that ultimately doesn't really challenge anything, despite giving us a few cathartic moments.

    My favorite character here was Bridgie (Brady), who early on questions why women shouldn't take lovers, even married men if they'd like: "Well after all, why control yourself? Nobody else does. I know I'm a fool being so decent about Walter. Everybody else does exactly as they please, so why shouldn't I? But I don't. And the funny thing is that I actually don't know whether it's because I'm too good, or I, I haven't got the nerve.... I tell you, this is an awfully hard age for a good woman to live in. I mean, a woman who wants to have any fun. The old instincts of right and wrong merely hold you back."

    She's consoling her author friend (Loy), you see, because the latter is carrying on an affair with her publisher (Morgan), who is married with children (Harding plays the wife). The author is naïve about two things, (1) that the publisher truly loves her, and (2) that if she just talks to the wife rationally about the situation, they can come to an amicable agreement. She also happens to be writing a book about the same subject, one that her friend (Montgomery) says doesn't ring true. He tells her how a "decent" woman shouldn't give in to a man's physical advances in the first place, because he'll get bored of her afterwards. "Gosh, I've persuaded so many women and hated them afterwards," he says crudely while thinking about swatting her behind with a daffodil (ugh). He also happens to have feelings for her that are unreciprocated, so naturally schemes to break up her affair.

    One of the issues with the film is that Morgan and Loy make an odd pairing, as aside from the 15 year age gap between the two, they don't have chemistry together. Morgan is simply miscast, as when Harding's character describes him as "a man who can no more help attracting other women than he can help breathing," I mean, please.

    Another problem is where the film goes once all of these characters inevitably meet. Harding does have some fine moments describing how she's coped with the serial adultery her husband has committed over their marriage, which was poignant, but it was also irritating that this intelligent woman, who thinks at times she has to pretend she isn't as talented as he is for the sake of his ego (like at golf), stood by him for years. She speaks emotionally and takes a swipe at not only male wandering but also the "ghastly" institution of marriage: "You can't hope to hold him with just yourself. I don't care how beautiful or clever or wonderful you are, he has to have something in him that will make him stick. Nothing else can pull a man and a woman through the ghastly job of living together."

    She also tells the author that if she knew the mistress, "I'd loathe her with a deadly hate that would shrivel her up. I'd call her a vile, brazen..." which was certainly an honest moment. Her feelings don't last long, however, leading to a calm scene between the two women when the truth is out that feels as false as the book Loy's character is writing. We get that beautiful moment when she leaves her husband, fed up with him at last, but there is also the sense that he's learned something and will patch things up for the sake of the children, meanwhile, whaddya know, Loy is now amused by Montgomery, and will probably end up together with him too. It's far too tame and nice, if you ask me, just giving a married man carrying on an affair some temporary comeuppance, and an education to a "modern woman" who naively thought free love could be so easy, thus delivering a dose of traditional morality after all.

    I still liked it for its amusing moments, however. You get a cameo from an uncredited Sterling Holloway as a sassy caddy with hay fever, for one thing. Frank Morgan impersonates a horse, and apparently has a foot fetish, as we come to know that long ago he complimented his wife's feet, and also admires Myrna Loy's (to which she says is an "odd compliment, I like it"). You also get many delightful moments from Alice Brady, including these quotes:

    "You know, you can't get men to come out to the country and stay there. Of course, I could fill the house full of women easily, but oh my goodness, I'm so sick of females."

    "Don't be an ass, Walter"

    (woken up at 2am) "What's the matter with you people? Don't you know what beds are for? Or do you? (implying they've slept together) Or is that the wrong thing to say?"

    "Well I'm going back to bed, come along Walter," then breaking the 4th wall and telling the audience "Oh, I didn't mean that!" and giggles before leaving. She was such a pistol.
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    "When Ladies Meet" is one of those films that show how much the Production Code set the film industry back. In this particular case, it's not the risqué lines that are notable (although there are a few, like "Doesn't anybody here know what beds are for? Or DO you? Or is that the wrong thing to say?"), or the revealing clothes the ladies wear (just a backless dress for Myrna Loy at the start); it's the themes of fidelity, (self-)deception, love and marriage which the film examines in an open and frank way that the Code would soon render beyond reach. And it examines them from the point of view of each character. It's hard to decide who gives the best performance in the excellent cast - Ann Harding is enticing, but I might have to go with Alice Brady, who often steals the show as the "intelligent fool". Yes, there may be "too much talk" in this film, but nearly all of it is intelligent and insightful. The long conversation between Loy and Harding, in the middle of the night, is unlike anything I personally have seen so far in old Hollywood - not a dialogue scene meant to advance the plot or lead to a dramatic confrontation, just a calm, honest talk between two women who reveal their thoughts and feelings. A great - and too-little-known - movie. ***1/2 out of 4.
  • Warning: Spoilers
    I watch a lot of old movies, and normally I watch them by myself. I began watching "When Ladies Meet" (WLM) by myself until I got to the point when the ladies met; then I had to watch the rest with my wife. I simply had to have her opinion on the rest of the movie. I briefed her on all the pertinent information up until the point of the movie I wanted her to see so that she'd have a clear idea of who was who and what was going on.

    Before the ladies met we got to know that Jimmie Lee (Robert Montgomery) was in love with Mary Howard (Myrna Loy). The movie began with Jimmie repeatedly proposing to Mary, and Mary repeatedly, yet gently, rejecting him. What was already different about WLM was that Mary never accepted Jimmie's proposal. In just about every movie, when the guy repeatedly proposes to a woman she eventually accepts his proposal. Not so Mary Howard. So what was wrong? Jimmie was a good guy, Mary was a good woman, so there had to be something wrong if she didn't accept his proposal.

    There was another man. We didn't know at the time there was another man, but we soon found out.

    The other man was Rogers Woodruff (Frank Morgan), a publisher. Mary had reason to be with him because she was writing a book. Rogers was spending a little too much time with Mary for it to all be business and that was because they were having an affair. Rogers was married and Mary knew it, but what does that matter when two people are in love?

    This is a repeat theme; that of nothing else mattering when two people are in love. In my opinion it is a stupid theme, but it sounds romantic. I've heard the words "I don't care" or "it doesn't matter" so many times from lovers when their significant other tells them (or tries to tell them) of their past or even their present. It's especially galling to hear when they haven't even heard what the other person has said yet.

    Person with a past: "Listen, I've got to tell you something about myself."

    Lover: "It doesn't matter. I don't care what you've done."

    Person with a past (to himself): "I was going to tell you that I'm a serial killer, but cool I'll just keep that to myself now since it doesn't matter."

    This is an extreme example I know, but it illustrates my point; they quite literally have no idea what the other person is about to say. As for me, I want to hear it all, because there are some things that I can't get past and there are some things that might put me in danger by being involved with this person. You don't know. I understand what the movie is trying to convey: 1.) the protagonist would never fall in love with a truly bad person and 2.) love is strong enough to overcome all obstacles, even if one of the obstacles is someone's spouse.

    Even though it wasn't being publicized (because society rules dictate that affairs be kept out of the public), Jimmie knew that Rogers was the other man. Jimmie also knew that Rogers was married. What could Jimmie do? Mary was in love.

    What is of great interest is the book Mary was writing. She was writing a book about modern and intelligent women. The main character, Eileen, was in love with a married man, and he was in love with her. She didn't want the man to divorce his wife because she wanted to be sure that he was not making a mistake. Eileen would live with the man for a year first, then confront the wife whereby they could intelligently discuss the man they both wanted. Because the wife was modern and intelligent, she relinquished her husband to the new woman realizing that their love is stronger than what she and her husband had.

    Yes, Mary was essentially writing a book about herself and how she wanted her affair to play out. Jimmie hated the book, Rogers loved it, but he'd love anything from Mary because he wanted to get in her pants. Mary could write a shopping list and Rogers would claim that it was a masterpiece.

    Mary's shallow and brainless friend, Bridget Drake (Alice Brady), invited Mary and Rogers to her country home for the weekend. Brigdie--as they called her--also knew of Rogers marital status, but she struck me as a woman who loved the sensational.

    Jimmie found out about the weekend rendezvous and devised a plan to, perhaps, make Mary leave Rogers.

    Jimmie played a round of golf with Clare Woodruff (Ann Harding), Rogers' wife. After the match, Jimmie made a call to Bridget's place to get Rogers to leave, then he took a "shortcut" which put him right at Bridgie's front door. Since he was in the neighborhood he may as well stop by and bring Clare Woodruff in with him. And this is when I began to brim with anticipation.

    "Here we go! The wife is about to come face-to-face with the mistress!"

    But I had to be patient because Jimmie had another idea while he was there at Bridget's country home with Clare Woodruff.

    Mary had never met or seen Clare Woodruff and vice versa, so Jimmie told Clare to pretend she was interested in him to perhaps make Mary jealous. To make the gag work Clare would have to keep her last name a secret.

    They ran the gag with no success. Mary never showed any jealousy. She was in love with Rogers so Jimmie could go be with whoever he wanted to be with.

    Jimmie and Clare would've left Bridget's place except for the nasty storm that appeared. They would have to spend the night which meant Mary and Clare would have more time to get acquainted, which meant they were bound to find out who each other were.

    I could barely contain myself.

    They began discussing Mary's book, and this is when I had to have my wife watch with me. Mary gave an insight to her own character when she told Clare that she knows when a man is in love. I actually had to pause the movie there.

    "Woman you are deluded if you think that you know when a man is in love. One of the many skills of men is that they deceive women regularly to get what they want. That includes making women believe that they love them."

    I resumed the movie.

    Mary went on to explain her main character Eileen's situation and wanted to know Clare's opinion about Eileen, the man, and the wife. Clare was giving some awesome responses and with each passing word I liked her more and despised Mary more. Clare wasn't anything like the wife Mary dreamed up in her book, but still she didn't know she was talking to Mrs. Woodruff and the suspense was killing me.

    Finally, a few absentminded and innocuous words were spoken by Mary that gave her away and made Clare aware of who she was and what was going on. Clare became wholly aware that Mary was speaking of herself when she was speaking of Eileen and her husband was the man.

    Then Rogers entered the room unaware that his wife was there.

    This is where my wife was greatly disappointed while I was only marginally disappointed because I've seen so many 30's movies.

    My wife and I wanted to see fireworks. We wanted to see an explosion of some form: verbal, physical, or both. Now, I happen to know that it is unsophisticated for men or women to go off or have a fight over a spouse they've found cheating. So, for me, it was almost enough just to see Clare find out that her husband was cheating on her with Mary, but for my wife, she wanted more than just a devastated look and some stern words. The discovery was very anticlimactic in that respect.

    This is one of the things I don't like about 30's society movies: they were too tame in dealing with infidelity. I've had stronger reactions in being cheated out of two dollars. I'm not looking for murder or bloodshed necessarily, but I am looking for an indication that a person has been hurt so deeply that they want to hurt someone in return. Didn't they love that person? Like Frank Morgan said in "The Kiss Before the Mirror" when he was defending Paul Lukas who'd killed his wife, "The greater the love the greater the hate." When someone you have no feelings for any longer cheats on you, it hurts, yes, because it's still a betrayal, but you're not going to be nearly as crushed as when the one you truly love cheats on you.

    So, even though I really like WLM, I can't get behind the tepid reactions of society men and women when they discover they've been cheated on. I want to see passion. They have so much passion when they fall in love, I want to see equal or greater passion when they find out their lover is a cheat. It's a small request, but a significant one. Besides that I thoroughly enjoyed WLM. It brought me to the edge of my seat like no other romance I can think of. Just the way they cleverly brought the two women together and the slow revealing of each other's thoughts and feelings regarding a fictitious yet real affair made the movie a real treasure.

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  • I never found a dull moment in this film. Every scene and line is significant in the delivery of the story. It deals with themes of romance on the surface, but at its heart it examines the nature of interpersonal relationships in a very thoughtful way, and it is still very relevant today. This film may not be everyone's cup of tea, and it requires undivided attention (and maybe subtitles) to pick up on all that's going on-you really don't want to miss any lines-but if you enjoy classic cinema, you should definitely check this one out.
  • Warning: Spoilers
    "When Ladies Meet" is a 1933 film based on a 1932 Broadway play of the same title by Rachel Crothers. It is a rare comedy drama that MGM remade in 1941. While far from the top in 1933, this film nevertheless was a success. It earned about double its budget. MGM liked it enough that it remade the film just eight years later, with an all new cast. The six main characters are the same. Most but not all the scenes are the same, and the bulk of the dialog in the same scenes is identical.

    Because both films are very good, though with some different scenes and all different casts, they beg comparison. One can't do justice in a small space to all the distinctions of both films. But I will give the story overview and main differences here. Those who enjoy this film should also watch the 1941 film. In my comments on it, I focus on the characters and their different portrayals by the actors.

    The story takes place in New York City and at a country home in Connecticut. Mary Howard and Jimmie Lee have been friends for five years. Mary is a successful author with at least two novels under her belt. She is about to finish her next book. Jimmie is a newspaper journalist, who is madly in love with Mary, but she won't commit beyond friendship. Bridget Drake is a wealthy middle-aged widow socialite who is a friend of both. Jimmie has been away for a month on his job and returns with a raise and a new five-year contract. While he was gone, Mary changed publishers and has fallen for her new publisher, Rogers Woodruf. He's a married man, but she thinks true, deep love trumps everything else. Woodruf and Mary have been spending much time together evenings, to finish the last chapter of her new book.

    Other characters in the drama include Woodruf's wife, Clare, and Walter Manners, a close friend of Bridget. He is a bachelor architect whom Bridget had hired to completely redo her country home in Connecticut. He is an admirer, and probably in love with Bridget, but she keeps their relationship proper for the time being.

    Jimmie thinks Mary is just going through a phase that will pass. He doesn't trust Woodruf and asks Mary how she could trust a married man's affections. Jimmie later meets Clare Woodruf at a dinner party that her husband doesn't attend. They hit it off, and they have a Saturday outing together. On the way back to the city, Jimmie "gets lost" taking a shortcut and they wind up at Bridget's summer home where Mary and Rogers had been invited for the weekend. The invite to Woodruf had been at Mary's request to Bridget.

    The drama that takes place that night will change the lives of most of these people - for the better. Woodruf had been called back to the city - by a ruse of Jimmie's with his office. Jimmie gets Clare to pretend she's a girlfriend of his. While Clare has read Mary's books, she has no idea that her husband is now Mary's publisher and that Mary is the woman now in her husband's life. Jimmie keeps Clare's last name a secret, so no one else knows that they are talking with the wife of Rogers Woodruf.

    The two films have different openings with a large party being given by Bridget. In this film, it takes place on a yacht anchored in the Hudson River. A large bridge looms in the background. Jimmie Lee has just swum the width of the river and back and is drying off. Woodruf comes out in a boat and picks Mary up to go off and work on her book together. In the 1941 film, the party is in Bridget's Manhattan apartment, as in the play. They go to dinner after that and Woodruf shows up to take Mary away to work on her book together.

    The other major setting difference is Jimmie's outing with Clare Woodruf. In this film, they spend a day golfing. In the 1941 film, she is an accomplished sailor, and they spend the day on the sea in Clare's sailing skiff. Also, in the 1941 film, there's a short scene of Rogers in the city dropping off his business manager. He was called there in Jimmie's telephone ruse to meet an author that Woodruf would like to publish. He doesn't return to Bridget's until nearly 2 a.m.

    After the people in Bridget's have gone to their rooms for the night, Mary and Clare sit and talk together a long time - especially about her new book. The subject is autobiographical between a woman who is in love with a married man, but neither woman yet knows that they are the two women in the story. Jimmy introduced Clare as Mrs. Clare, with the first name of Clara. In the 1941 film, he calls Mrs. Clare's first name, Lottie.

    When Rogers Woodruf returns, knocks on her door, and enters Mary's room, the truth comes out. He is there with Mary and his wife. When he sees Clare there, she says, "She doesn't who I am, Rogers." The subsequent drama will bring the story to a close.

    Throughout the film, the humor and drama are clearly divided. The mix is close to 50% comedic and serious scene time. Jimmie and Bridget provide most of the comedy. Walter and Clare provide a little. Most of the humor is in witty and funny dialog. Neither Mary nor Rogers Woodruf have any witty dialog or humorous situations.

    This is a mature subject that most adults should enjoy. Besides the humor, it has some good lessons about life, love, marriage, and trust. See my review of the 1941 movie for character and actor comparisons of the two films.
  • I absolutely adored this film.

    The female parts, in particular, appealed to me. Especially Myrna Loy & Ann Harding, playing interesting, intelligent, thoughtful, basically kind and compassionate women, even if Loy's Mary was naively blind to her lover's duplicity. After all, that snake was a convincing liar.

    Alice Brady's Bridget was the kind of ditzy character who could very easily be annoying & unlikeabke, but I didn't find her so. Fine comic relief in this drama.

    Robert Montgomery's Jimmie was irritating, but not awful, and Frank Morgan's Rogers was awful but, in the end, got what he deserved, which was satisfying.

    No doubt, the setting, both time & place, added to my enjoyment. I think the 30s may be my favorite period for fashion, architecture, interior design (Bridget's country home was gorgeous) and, well, films.
  • Warning: Spoilers
    I think I prefer this version over MGM's remake, which was made eight years later with Greer Garson in Ann Harding's role. What makes this one work so well is the perfect casting-- Robert Montgomery is excellent as a guy who wants to prove to the girl of his dreams that she's wasting her time on a married man (Frank Morgan); Myrna Loy plays the girl whose warped morals send her down a somewhat destructive path; and of course, Ann Harding is the other lady she meets whose marriage and home are threatened by it all. There are superb supporting performances, too, including Alice Brady as a larger-than-life busybody who serves as a hostess of sorts; and we even have Sterling Holloway in an amusing golf course scene.

    Despite the talkiness of the script which betrays the story's stage origins, there is a lot going on-- with all of them experiencing epiphanies about where they are in relation to each other and what they want from life. But I would say the best part is the scene where Loy and Harding sit down to talk about a chapter that Loy is writing for a book. The chapter is about the affair the main character is having and what she would say to her lover's wife. Of course, Loy is writing about herself and at this point she doesn't know Harding's true identity, and Harding hasn't figured out she's the wife in the book. There is just such a great deal of irony and it's like a scene in a therapist's office in a way, with the women probing into their own consciousness about what love means or what it could mean.
  • ellieab19 May 2009
    Why, when a character is supposed to be educated, they cannot use proper grammar. Given that one of the women is a writer and her "beau" , a publisher. Perhaps they should have corrected Rich lady, Bridget. She refers to another woman as "she" , when it should be "her". In the beginning of the film she tells Jimmy & Mary, " I had lunch with Laura Mills and now believe it about "she" and Phil" No, not "she", you insipid, laughing hyena! It would be " her" and Phil." Leave Phil out of the sentence. " I believe it about her" Would you say, " I believe it about she." We have a noted author and this was a play? Aren't there people who just look for errors as they film. I do not find this woman remotely entertaining, as this silly, nervous laughing is annoying. She doesn't utter a sentence without this giggle punctuating it. I fail to see why it was remade for that matter. I love the old movies, but when I see or hear this, it ruins it for me. An aside: Wonder why , oh why, did those in charge not put Myrna Loy's eyebrows where God intended. Every movie she's in, the obvious brow bone is distracting, emphasizing just how poorly those drawn-on brows suit her ( or anyone, for that matter.)
  • Hey, I like both versions of this film. Not into parsing them either. The assembled talent, story, parts, clothes, set. This is the kind of movie I like to watch multiple times. First, watch the movie through. Then, maybe follow separate characters through. There's a lot going on. Then, watch the clothes. Then, check out the house, furniture, etc. There was so much style put into these. All of these elements are what made these 30's and 40's films so special. I don't understand why all the comparisons and nitpicking. This film has a lot to enjoy. It's entertainment, folks. If you don't find something so, leave it alone. Simple enough.
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