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  • Davis does a neat job of laying out the absurdity in the US's involvement in Vietnam. He does it mainly through the use of two techniques.

    (1) Successive contrast, as it's called in the psychology of perception. If you stare at a black square for a while, then switch your gaze to a gray square, it looks white, not gray. In this movie Davis juxtaposes moments from interviews and newsreel footage to demonstrate how far removed high-level speeches can be from events as they take place on the ground. General Westmoreland, who, like General Douglas MacArthur, was another one of those giants in the field of Oriental psychology, explains to us that Asians don't place the same kind of value on human life as Westerners do. (He might have been thinking of kamikaze attacks from WWII.) Cut to a Vietnamese funeral full of wailing mourners. A coach gives a pep talk, screaming and weeping, to a high school football team in Niles, Ohio. "Don't let them BEAT US!" he cries. Cut to a scene of combat.

    (2) Selective interviewing and editing. The Vietnamese seem to speak nothing but common sense and they are seen doing nothing but defending themselves -- and very little of that. The Americans that we see and hear are mostly divided into two types: phony idiots and wised-up ex-patriot veterans. Fred Coker is an exception. He's a naval aviator who was evidently a POW. He's clean-cut, intelligent, and articulate, and he's given a lot of screen time. This is all for the good because he's about the only pro-war character we see. He's been there and he still believes. He serves as a useful bridge between the pro-war idiots and the embittered anti-war Americans.

    And of course the statements we hear on screen are selected for their dramatic value. One former pilot describes how he and his comrades approached their bombing missions -- for some of them it was just a job, part of the daily grind, but for some others it got to be kind of fun. And for him? "I enjoyed it." The amazing thing in propagandistic documentaries like this is not that the sound bites were selected. Of course they were, otherwise you'd have a dull movie of a thousand people from the middle of the road. "Dog bites man" is not news. "Man bites dog" IS news! No, the truly astonishing thing is that some of the interviewees actually SAID these things in the first place. Selective or not, here is the evidence on film. And how is it possible to "take out of context" General Westmoreland's disquisition on the Oriental attitude towards life? Or a vet smirking and saying he enjoyed killing Gooks?

    I'm reminded of a scene in Michael Moore's first documentary, "Roger and Me." Moore is talking to a handful of rich wives who are on some Flint, Michigan, golf course, chipping balls. His camera rolls on and on while the ladies chat about the closing of the plants and the movement of jobs to cheaper labor markets. They love the area around Flint -- great golf courses, good riding country. And the newly unemployed? Well, says one of the wives, before a swing, now they'll have to get up and find a job. Poor people are always lazy anyway.

    It's a shocking statement, and we hear similarly shocking statements throughout this movie. It all leaves a viewer with a sense of awe that anyone could be so unashamedly deluded.

    I don't see any reason to point out the similarities between what happened in Viet Nam and what's going on as I write this. I wish our current leaders, practically none of whom served in the military let alone Viet Nam, could have seen this because it might have served as a useful reminder that war isn't REALLY very much like a high school football game.

    G. K. Chesterton once wrote, "My country, right or wrong, is a thing no true patriot would think of saying. It is like saying, 'My mother, drunk or sober'".
  • Very good piece on the horrors of war and the stupidity which causes them. Lots of good interviews with former gung-ho jarheads who are now armless, without legs, or sitting forever in wheelchairs. Several clips from interviews with politicos of the era in which one man even went so far as to admit the entire war was a gargantuan error: "I couldn't have been more wrong in my assessment of the situation" was his comment. We really are led by fools. Other footage showed the ravages of the Viet people themselves - not just a bunch of dinks - who lost homes, families, and entire villages. The most telling scene for me was of the 2 parents mouthing their patriotic "he died fighting for freedom" gibberish in defense of a useless war which took their son away forever. Maybe this was merely their own defensive mechanisms at work but it made them appear so painfully ignorant of what was going on around them. This should be viewed by all, especially those who were around at the time and remember all the conflicting emotions.
  • Hard hitting documentary directed by Peter Davis in how the US got itself involved in the War in Vietnam that ended up tearing the country apart. Made in 1974 before the Vetcong guerrillas and North Vietnamese Army overran the country the film shows the pitfalls that the US chose to overlook in getting itself stuck in the mud swamps and jungles that was the Vietnam War.

    There's really no one US President to blame for getting the country into that bloody mess of a war in that we see it was a team effort from Pres. Truman to Pres. Nixon and every other US Chief Executive, Eisenhower Kennedy & Johnson, in between. The French who were involved in the first Vietnam or Indochina War was soundly defeated by Ho Chi Minh's, known as "The Enlighten One", Viet Minh forces in the bloody and drawn out battle of Dien Bien Phu in May 1954. That jungle battle ended the conflict that resulted in the loss, French and Vietnames military and civilians, of over 700,000 lives. During the almost 8 years of of fighting in Indochina War the US was far from neutral in supporting the French with almost 80% of the arms and money for the French to keep the war going.

    With the free and UN sponsored elections to unify both north and South Vietnam set to be held in 1956 and Ho Chi Minh being a sure shot of winning them the US under Pres. Eisenhower set up the puppet Diem to be South Vietnam's fist unelected president. This set the stage for the second Vietnam War that was to involved as much as 550,000 US troops and lasting 16 years from 1959 to 1975, the longest war in US history, ending up costing almost 60,000 American lives; Not to mention the some 3 million Vietnamese,from both North & South Vietnam, who perished in it.

    Among the many persons who were personally involved in the Vietnam war the one who made the biggest impact on me in the movie was former Secretary of Defense Clark Clifford. Clifford in an interview admitted that those Generals and politicians conducting the war had no idea in not only how to win it but who they were fighting against. Everything that they did failed miserably and they ended up stuck in an unwindable war because in their mind by ending it, or withdrawing from the country, would lead to a "Domino Effect" where all of South-East Asia would end up falling into Communists hands. Which to them was worth the enormous loss of life, American & Vietnamese, that this bottomless quagmire of a war was was costing! As it turned out the "Domino Effect" turned out to be pure fiction with no other country in that part of the world turning Communist and Vietnam now a united country being one of the US', next to Communist China, biggest trading partners in Asia!

    What the film brings out best is how most of the American public finally realized that they've been had in going along with the bankrupt policies of their leaders who conned them, like in the faked and infamous Tonkin Gulf incident, into supporting the war. Taking to the street in massive anti-war demonstrations with hundreds of returning Vietnam war vet participating in them was what really brought the war to an end. But it took almost 6 years from 1966 to 1973 for it to happen! And it was during that time the majority of the almost 60,000 American and 3 million Vietnamese lives lost in the war were snuffed out.

    In the end the Vietnam War turned out to be a war that many from the Truman Eishenhower Kenndey Johnson & Nixon Administrations who whole hearted supported it at first would now, after all the facts are in about it, like to forget!
  • Occasionally Hearts and Minds comes over as too obvious and aggressive, as in the shockingly unflattering edits of glib, racist Americans piled one on top of another and the literal link the director draws between football and war. (Then again, I'm 31 years old and just don't know how open such racism was then, but the cuts from bigot to bigot are just brutal and perhaps it's wishful thinking on my part to assume that the director was unfair.) Also, it seems the communist NLF did no wrong that was worth putting in the film. Instead the director concentrated on eloquent nationalist sentiments. I happen to agree entirely with the assessment of the war shown in the film, but even with my sympathies it's hard not to notice that this film that concentrates so brilliantly on the suffering of real people before an evil policy focuses almost solely on the crimes of the Americans and their South Vietnamese allies. But maybe that was someone else's film to make and, at that moment in time, the director probably felt that there was enough coverage of NLF as just plain evil people. It's a small gripe about such a mammoth film. Documentary is not Truth, no retelling of an event ever is. Hearts and Minds is an unapologetically partisan film and is so much the better for being honest about it.

    I'm `oriental' myself. Well, `oriental' enough that I know all those slurs and dismissive comments would have applied to my family and me. It was absolutely eerie for me to see people from Gen. Westmorland down to Americans watching parades on Main St. who had nothing but contempt for the people that to this day many swear the US was trying to save.

    I'm not sure how many times I've ever seen the victim of bombing express himself outside of this film and that's sad. How many people were bombed in the last century? Millions certainly. In the US we've become so accustomed to hearing that our foreign policy requires almost annual bombings somewhere on earth. Particularly during the Clinton years, punishing through air strikes became so routine that it barely merited news coverage. These attacks may not be as indiscriminate as they used to be, but how many people in our history did that one anguished man speak for as he wept about his family and his home?

    The sheer carnage on display in Hearts and Minds made the whole war film genre seem perversely sentimental to me. It's seldom helpful to hold up fiction to docu-footage, but, in this case, any number of moments from Hearts and Minds makes otherwise impressive films like Apocalypse Now! and Platoon seem like acts of bad taste.
  • Peter Davis created one of the most moving accounts of the Vietnam War and the attitudes at home when he produced "Hearts and Minds".

    The film looks unflinchingly at the nature of power and horrible consequences of war. It is very much a pro-peace film, but uses the people who were there to speak for themselves. It also seeks to probe deeper underneath the American psyche of the times and evolves into a historical document about the violent social rupture that happened between the fifties and the sixties.

    In many ways, it feels like a punch in the gut to watch the film. So many ideologies are laid bear....so many were false or misleading.

    In the end, the film leaves you thinking about the price of war - and who is given the task to bear that price.

    Truly deserving of the Oscar it received - and worthy of repeated viewing.
  • I first knew about this Oscar-winning documentary when Rex Reed and Bill Harris mentioned it on their "At the Movies" program in the late '80s when they discussed Vietnam War films in the wake of the success of Platoon. I also later read about the controversial comments producer Bert Schneider read from the Viet Cong when he accepted the Academy Award that got Bob Hope and Frank Sinatra to disavow those remarks as Oscar approved. Having watched it now, director Peter Davis does a remarkable job of trying to find a balance with the various viewpoints of Americans-conservative and liberal-and that of the Asian country-persons whose loss of homes and family are the most heartbreaking scenes on film. But he also exposes how the propaganda of World War II movies may have contributed to such ignorant comments like those of former prisoner-of-war Lt. George Coker-"If it wasn't for the people, it would be very pretty. The people over there are very backward and very primitive and they just make a mess out of everything." Or this from Gen. William Westmoreland-"The Oriental doesn't put the same high price on life as does the Westerner. Life is cheap in the Orient." One wonders if they ever regretted those remarks. Many other painfully touching moments occur that I won't mention here. With all that said, I highly recommend Hearts and Minds.
  • The only fully honest movie or documentary I've seen on the Vietnam War. Several movies show the suffering of U.S. soldiers who fought or were wounded in Vietnam, or readily admit that the war effort was flawed - e.g., former Secretary of Defense Bob McNamara in "The Fog of War." But none that I know of tell us what was really behind the war and how it divided the country between the jingoist or conformist hawks and the people of conscience who could not support such a bloody Ne-colonial war of aggression - "aggression," not an honest "mistake" that our media portray.

    It showed the Vietnamese people in their humanity, patriotism, and incredible courage in the face of crucifixion by an utterly awesome U.S. war machine. Unfortunately, the documentary's message got lost or was never seen by millions of Americans who are still in denial about what Vietnam stood for - a denial that permits the kind of character assassination by the "swiftboat veterans" that may have cost John Kerry the election in 2004.
  • Warning: Spoilers
    This is one of the better documentaries I've seen. It is a very jarring commentary on one of the biggest (or at least most visible) failures in US foreign policy. It does a great job illustrating how ignorant US policy makers and those that executed those policies turned Viet Nam into such a tragic situation. And how that ignorance served only to destroy a country that we were ostensibly trying to help. As an earlier review noted, this is not an objective documentary. (I personally did not realize that documentaries needed to be objective.) It does not, however, contain any commentary from the filmakers. It paints a vivid picture by contrasting footage from Americans and Vietnamese. **possible spoiler**

    For example, it made me sick to watch General Westmoreland mumble that the Oriental does not appreciate life like Westerners, which was interspersed with bombing footage and Vietnamese grieving for loved ones. Another astute observation from a soldier is that Vietnam was a nice country except for the people.

    The film is peppered with inane observations and comments from US war participants that leave little doubt as to why this evolved into such a tragic situation.
  • Peter Davis' Hearts and Minds does it's best to try and get both sides of the issue on America's military involvement in Vietnam, and like Bowling for Columbine the film can be accessible to an audience on each side of the coin (though with this film Davis isn't in front of the camera at all). This is perfectly filmed in the end credits sequence in which a march is being held for Vietnam veterans while the protesters line the adjacent streets. What makes the film all the powerful is that there isn't a bias going on to either side- while one scene will show a Vietnamese civilian being interviewed about how the devastation from the bombs have ruined his family and home, another will show prisoner of war George Coker explaining things to American children. In the end what gets Hearts and Minds to the level of great documentary film-making is that all of the footage of old speeches and old military movies, and all the interviews with various political figures and Vietnamese personnel, all add up to delivering an objective stance for the viewer. The facts of which are presented as such: America went into Vietnam, left their mark, and while America had two sides to the issue so did the Vietnamese, and that's what made the whole deal one of the most controversial topics of the 20th century. Overall, this is an intelligent and compassionate look at the effects of War in general. A+
  • There are no Michael Moore narratives in this documentary. Players from all sides speak for themselves, and you have to see it to believe it.

    A Vietnamese carpenter, who makes caskets for children, recounts stories of children killed by American bombs. A Vietnamese woman is so grief-stricken that she climbs into the grave of a loved one as it is being covered with dirt. Viatnamese children run naked through the streets, skin dripping from their bodies, from recently dropped napalm.

    An American soldier executes a handcuffed Vietnamese man in the middle of the street. A former CIA official coldly recounts the story of a Viatnamese POW who was thrown from a helicopter because he would not answer questions.

    Back at home, a former American bomber pilot cries as he imagines his own children being exposed to the same incendiary devices he dropped on the children of Vietnam. An American mother and father describe the son they lost and eerily repeat the jingoistic phrases of the government they continue to fully support, while another American mother says, "All these people holding their heads up high because they lost a son in Vietnam or some place, well, I don't think that's much to be proud of. They've lost more than they'll ever gain for the rest of their life."

    But Gen. Westmoreland sums it up best: "The Oriental does not put the same high price on life as the Westerner. Life is plentiful, life is cheap in the orient."

    Hearts and Minds is a great documentary. It speaks for itself.
  • Though it didn't cover some parts (i.e, when did the french first come and opress vietnamese before wwii,"my lai massacre" in particular though they did show clips of it in the end, how the usa completely lied about "gulf of tonkin" incident and used it as an excuse to enter the war which was none of their business.) it did expose the usa's failure and how the communism isn't a pure evil , it's just an ideology which differs from imperialism.I must've imagined how hard would it have been at that time to make an unbiased documentary like this. Props to the director but it could've been better nonetheless.
  • A documentary of the conflicting attitudes of the opponents of the Vietnam war.

    Roger Ebert wrote, "Here is a documentary about Vietnam that doesn't really level with us... If we know something about how footage is obtained and how editing can make points, it sometimes looks like propaganda... And yet, in scene after scene, the raw material itself is so devastating that it brushes the tricks aside." Exactly right. The folks who made this are clearly anti-war, but some of the footage they get is unforgettable.

    Most notably is the interview with General William Westmoreland where he says, "The Oriental doesn't put the same high price on life as does a Westerner. Life is plentiful. Life is cheap in the Orient." How can that be interpreted any other way?

    The movie was chosen as Academy Award for Best Documentary Feature at the 47th Academy Awards presented in 1975. This win was not only well-deserved, but opened the door for possibly an even better Vietnam documentary: Errol Morris' "The Fog of War: Eleven Lessons from the Life of Robert S. McNamara" (2003), which also won the Oscar.
  • Warning: Spoilers
    HEARTS AND MINDS is an interesting little documentary exploring the controversial side of the Vietnam War. Made in 1974 when everybody knew just what a bad idea the whole enterprise had been, this features some documentary footage of the war itself combined with plenty of interviews from both the Vietnamese and the American troops involved. Some of the views expressed are, shall we say, quite shocking in this day and age, while the violence meted out is equally so. It's all rather grim and depressing, if truth be told, but this documentary's timeliness makes it well worth a look for anyone with an interest in the ill-fated war.
  • Warning: Spoilers
    It can be argued (probably successfully) that this is the ultimate bleeding heart's take on the US government's policies in southeast Asia from 1950 to 1973. Peter Davis has nevertheless made a riveting and very unsettling documentary. Relying on first hand accounts from vets, politicians, and a few grotesque "man on the street" interviews, Davis makes it clear that he's not interested in making anything approaching a balanced film. How could he when a scene of a young Vietnamese girl wailing over her fathers coffin is juxtaposed with General William Westmoreland explaining that people in the Orient do not value life? Among the more insightful interviewees are Daniel Ellsberg (who laments how five US Presidents managed to lie to the US over 25 years) as well as former Defense Secretary Clark Clifford, who admits he was wrong to go along with LBJ's policies many years before Robert McNamara (whom he succeeded) did. Ultimately this is a very sad movie about a really horrible time in US history.
  • I'll admit up front that Peter Davis' documentary makes no effort to show the carnage and torture sponsored and perpetuated by the Viet Cong -- and the one substantial time it explores the way South Vietnamese civilians were imprisoned and tortured by their own government (in huge numbers, by the way), the film isn't very clear about who made these arrests. It concentrates almost solely on the inhumanity and pointlessness of our presence there in a pointless war which even our leaders were unprepared to comprehend.

    It's not "balanced" within itself, but given the day-to-day barrage of standard media coverage of the Vietnam war during the time the documentary was made, I believe the making of this film represented an attempt to "balance" the average American's knowledge of what was really going on and how misrepresented the war was by our government and even by the major media most of the time.

    All that being said, it's a vivid, important part of the mosaic of American war records. The images are enormously powerful, and where occasionally Mr. Davis' juxtapositions seem overtly manipulative, he still is to be praised emphatically for collecting and assembling this material in such a courageous and uncompromising way. It is essential viewing because of the power of its collected imagery and the lessons about America that we still need to learn. 30 years after the Vietnam war ended, there are still too many essential ways in which that conflict is not understood....and the degree to which we cannot seem, as a nation, to learn from the lessons of Vietnam is only too evident in the manner and attitude with which our leaders have handled and carried on the American military action in Iraq.

    Having read a lot of the writings of Vietnam vets over the years about this war, I'm tempted to say that this documentary doesn't go far enough to show the core of absurdity and tragedy at the heart of this war and the way it put young Americans into a hellish situation for no reason and then left them there to be a part of a morally ambivalent, politically and humanly misguided situation, forever disillusioning and haunting an entire generation. But if this film can help younger people to understand just the tip of the iceberg of the enormous tragedy of America's involvement in a pointless 10-year war, then it continues to be worthwhile.

    The film itself does not provide nearly enough "backstory" for a student or younger person who did not live through the era. Peter Davis presupposes that the viewing audience knows a lot of things which we knew at the time but which is no longer general knowledge for many viewers. But as a part of an overall attempt (using various sources) to understand that war and its colossal ramifications to our country's self-image, and as a reminder of how easy it is to slip into a tragic imperialism masquerading as some other kind of naive political idealism, it's an essential and vividly effective document of the times for which we owe Mr. Davis a huge debt of gratitude. There is much to be learned from films like this -- including things which our leaders today don't seem to have learned themselves, despite having lived through the Vietnam era.

    It's also important to remember that until the Vietnam war, and later Watergate (reminders of which resonate in the presence in this film of "Pentagon Paper"- leaker Daniel Ellsberg), Americans generally believed what their government told them, and didn't think Presidents lied. It may be difficult now to remember there ever was a time when we trusted our government not to be intentionally misleading us, and if Mr. Davis makes a conspicuous effort to emphasize the duplicity of Johnson and Nixon in this documentary, it's probably because it was such a new and unbelievable concept to the overwhelming percentages of Americans before the Vietnam era took place.
  • hohumdedum23 February 2005
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    Hearts and Minds really captures what it was like to be alive during one of the most tumultuous times in recent American history. The interviews, in particular the interview with Westmoreland and the fighter pilot, were of great interest and perspective of the attitude of the times. It's very well documented that there was MASSIVE resistance among the American public, but on the contrary there was still great trust in the institutions of government among many of the citizens regarding the war in Vietnam. In regard to that trust was the interview with the parents of a killed solider who unabashedly supported their child's "call to duty" and the administrations decisions regarding the conflict in Vietnam. This film was highly influential to Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 9/11, and Moore's is almost a by the numbers replica of Hearts and Minds. This film is highly recommended for historical reasons. It is also a very moving, tragic film and a bleak comment on American foreign policy. 10 out of 10.
  • There were a lot of movies about the Vietnam War, but Peter Davis's documentary "Hearts and Minds" is an even more devastating look at the US's tragic involvement in Indochina. One of the points that the documentary makes is that racism is an essential part of militarism, as the Americans speak in the most demeaning terms of the Vietnamese. Among the other scenes are a pilot's crying after bombing a village, and Vietnamese women are forced to become prostitutes. There was no doubt that the US could no more win the hearts and minds of the Vietnamese, Cambodian and Lao peoples in the 1960s than it could win the hearts and minds of the Afghans and Iraqis in the 21st century.

    There's a scene in which Bob Hope performs in the White House right before Richard Nixon makes a speech. I always reference that scene to refute any praise of Hope. Much like how the older generation cheered on the war while the younger generation protested it, the older generation saw Hope as a fine comedian while the younger generation saw him for what he really was. Because the war mostly gets ignored in history classes, large numbers of young people today think that the war was worth it (as if there was anything to win). The racist crook Woodrow Wilson's refusal to listen to a young Ho Chi Minh at the Versailles peace negotiations set the stage for our disastrous involvement in Southeast Asia, and we're still living with the effects today. But it's nothing compared to what the Vietnamese are living with: some of the worst birth defects. It was appropriate that "Hearts and Minds" won Best Documentary Feature just as the US puppet government in Saigon was collapsing, and it's one of the documentaries that you MUST see before you die.
  • I remember watching a few "Yankee" musicals as a kid and enjoying them as silly entertainment (maybe I was the silly one) and clips of them start off this documentary, which jolted my memory and reminded me that they were part of a comprehensive campaign to promote US overseas war efforts. And the rhetoric heard throughout the documentary was almost as "bad" as the Maoist rhetoric of the Cultural Revolution in China, except that the US was by far more polished and convincing. Nixon saying "the US has shown a degree of restraint unprecedented in the annals of war...", by which he probably meant that we should thank the US for not using the atom bombs again, probably ranks near the top the long list of misguided beliefs and "white lies" showcased in this time capsule of 1974 sentiments: when the US thought it had already won a war it was going to lose.

    So kudos to the director who quickly proceeds to ask the fundamental question: "why do they need us there (Vietnam)?" The honest answer given, only after the director was ridiculed as a "sophomore", actually started all the way from "Sputnik"-- no wonder then that people have to keep asking why they have been involved in this or that war, because the truth was so convoluted. But all these explanations start to sound hollow when the Vietnamese launch into their own centuries-old historical/ narrative tradition: where they have been fighting in defense or for independence against Chinese, then French, then American Imperialism-- it seems that someone conveniently forgot to ask how the Vietnamese saw things at their end, using the justifications that the Vietnamese were just "children", "savages", etc..

    Made in 1974 after the Paris Peace Accord of 1973, this documentary shows various people in the US reflecting on its involvement in Vietnam and sheds light on why the US didn't get involved again when North Vietnam invaded South Vietnam in 1975: the US never had a clear, consistent or compelling reason or plan to be in Vietnam ("I think we are fighting for the North Vietnamese", says a truck driver) in the first place-- to the point where a veteran says "the reason we went over was to win this war"-- and they thought they had achieved victory in 1973. The US only began to wake up and accept the true nature and effect of their involvement after 1975, when draft dodgers were finally pardoned.
  • Many have considered this film to be biased, and rightly so. It is no accident that the Vietnamese are sympathized considerably more than are the American soldiers and their leaders. In a time when many pro-war Americans felt that our position as a world power granted us the right to intervene and make decisions for other groups of people, Peter Davis' documentary was an eye opener for those willing to embrace its strong and poignant criticisms. Part of what Davis attempts to do is to show us the Vietnamese, not as a baser and apathetic people, but as real human beings with intelligence, history, and culture that were being trampled upon and overlooked in the face of a debilitating fear of spreading Communism. To carefully watch this film is to experience a side of war that has all too often been disregarded in American history: the view from the other side.

    If you would like to read more about my interpretation of this film and see a variety of other sources and helpful materials to better understand Hearts and documentary film in general, click on this link to my viewing guide for the film: http://www.trinity.edu/adelwich/ documentary/comm3325.viewing.guide.charles.tallent.pdf
  • mkojder-126 October 2004
    This is a brilliant film that shows the sad, heartbreaking results of conflict on everyday people and the arrogance of those leaders and politicians that don't have to be on the ground doing the actual fighting. No matter who starts a war, it's always the population that pays the highest price.

    The parallels with the current war in Iraq are mind-boggling - from no W.M.D., to the non-existent "Gulf Of Tonkin Incident". America's leaders have lied to the public, hidden the truth, and lead them in unjustified wars and permitted genocide many times in the past. This film is a well-documented example.

    Every American should see this film. For other prime examples - check out 1992's The Panama Deception....or read more about Venezuela's latest elections, the US record in the UN on Israel and Palestine, Cambodia, the genocide in East Timor....the list is massive.
  • I'm a Vietnam Vet and this is a great documentary, shows how corrupt our American Society is, and always has been; the way we'll kill for money and/or religious reasons (which was what all the anti-communist fervor was then, just like all the anti-terrorist fervor is now). This shows you the insane 'hearts and minds' of the american boys fighting the war, and the more insane hearts and minds of the politicians that backed the war, in their own words, coming out of their own mouths. Shows you how the common person in Vietnam was routinely murdered anytime we thought there were any 'communists' in the neighborhood of any particular village; and how the pilots bombing them were numbed out shells of human beings 'just doing their jobs'. (in their own words).

    Americans should take heed to how our American Capitalistic system teaches us to kill without mercy, women, children and innocent men, just like we're doing in Iraq right now; and just like we're supporting the fascist government of Ariel Sharon as he kills innocent women, men and children in Palestine/Israel.

    America, change it or lose it!!
  • I think the main purpose of this documentary is to show how Americans entered the Vietnam war with the wrong attitude. They felt it was like a game in which they had to be aggressive. Like in all other circumstances, Americans had this volition to "win the war no matter what." Nobody really understood the damage that was being done to the Vietnamese. Nobody really understood the trauma and chaos that was going on due to the vendetta among the Viet Cong from the North and the republicans from the South. In Vietnam, people lost their lives and were convicted for crimes just because they fought for peace. American GIs did nothing but treat the Vietnamese like irksome flies and bomb their fields like they were supposed to. This is a well taken documentary which in some cases can pass as propaganda (especially when they show football scenes, demonstrating American morale), but it is definitely a good piece of work, and gives us all something to think about.
  • If hearts and minds had been labeled as a movie, then I would have no problem with it. However, Hearts and Minds came out claiming to be a documentary, which is supposed to present the truth in an objective way. It did anything but that. It painted a savagely picture of U.S soldiers, killing innocent people, abusing women, expressing joy in killing. The only Vietnamese shown are those that are suffering from U.S military action, such as there houses being gone from bombing. While its true that Vietnamese people suffered greatly from U.S intervention, whats not shown is the savage Viet Cong, who unlike the U.S target, innocent civilians to slaughter, rather than accidently killing civilians.

    Look I'm not here to defend the Vietnam war, I think it was a black eye in American History, we had no business interfering in another nations NATIONALIST movement. However, if your going to do a documentary on the war, present to objectively dammit!!!!!!!!!
  • There are certain subjects so horrendous and so important that fictionalizing them, regardless of the good intentions of the film maker, can only trivialize them. "Schindler's List", "JFK" and "The Deer Hunter" come to mind.

    Give me a good documentary any time, and this is one of the best.

    It takes the silly rhetoric of our leaders and juxtaposes it with images showing the horrendous results of their short-sighted policies.

    If you want to know what the VietNam war was really all about, (and why so many of us were against it,) skip "Apocalypse Now", "Go Tell the Spartans" and "Full Metal Jacket" and watch this one.
  • There are certain events in a country's history that leaves a scar so painful, it cannot be forgotten. If there is such a scar with the United States, is has to be the Vietnam War. Even to this day, its shadow still looms. Many people are starting to say the occupation in Iraq is turning into another Vietnam. Regardless if this comparison is justified, there is not doubt the harrowing memories of Vietnam are still embedded within the American psyche. I just recently ran across 'Hearts and Minds' at a library. I have not heard of this before, but after watching it, I could not help but think how controversial it must have been for its time period. It was released just as the war was ending; America was split into half and many Americans began to develop a pessimistic view of their country. This film does not show the U.S. in a good light, in fact many people would still consider it an anti-American film. It is not surprising that such a film emerged from the Vietnam War. No other war in the country's history has created such bitter feelings, although Operation Iraqi Freedom is creeping closer.

    What is so powerful and memorable about 'Hearts and Minds' is its use of juxtaposing contradictions. One moment we see the immense suffering of both the North and South Vietnamese civilians. We see how their lives have been ruined and devastated by war. The next minute we see the cool indifference of the the American generals and soldiers. They do not see the Vietnamese as human beings; they see them as savages, primitives, and playthings. The Americans act like they are doing their job and do not realize the moral values at hand. It is shocking just how much racism existed within the military during this war. It makes me wonder if the same level of racism exists for the Iraq situation. Sadly, the same mentality is seen again and again. The idea of 'white man's burden' is prevalent throughout the film. The U.S. suffers from the winner's complex. The U.S. is the best and the rest of the world is sub-human.

    This mentality, as the film shows, is implanted at a very early age. The air force pilot who tells elementary school children that the Vietnamese are savages. The psychotic football coach who slaps this players on their helmets, yelling at them to "kill and win". It is frightening, but the Vietnam War showed that this is what this country has become. When a country is as rich and powerful as the U.S., all moral values can be put aside. How can this be stopped? 'Hearts and Minds' gives several clues. It show American soldiers who have been wounded both physically and psychologically by the war. It showed that even underneath the heartlessness, there exists still a heart. The human soul almost naturally knows what is right and wrong. It can reflect on what it has done and make a judgment. This film, although a little one-sided, is a must see. It is a must see because we are seeing another war that is becoming just like Vietnam.
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