Thou Shalt Not Kill... Except (1985) User Reviews (22)

What Sam and Co. did next.

[BA_Harrison · 7/10 · 21 August 2009]

This cheesy, low-budget piece of revenge action from the Evil Dead gang might be technically sub-par, clumsily written, and poorly acted, but thanks to a genuine sense of fun, plenty of mindless violence, and a memorably OTT turn from Sam Raimi as a Charles Manson style cult leader with bad hair and even worse teeth, it actually proves to be very entertaining stuff.

The predictable story sees cigar chompin' Sgt. Stryker (Robert Rickman) and his tough Vietnam veteran buddies going to war one more time against a gang of bloodthirsty hippies who have attacked the sarge's girlfriend and killed her grandfather. What this plot lacks in originality, it sure makes up for in violent, gung-ho, exploitative action, as Stryker and company proceed to blast seven shades of crap out of anyone who looks like they might have dodged the draft or worn flowers in their hair.

Of course, Stryker's War will be of most interest to horror fans keen to see what the creators of The Evil Dead got up to next: not only does the film star its director Raimi (who proves he cannot act, and yet somehow steals the show anyway) and his brother Ted (as a Mad Max style villain wrapped in chains), but it was also co-written by the chin-tastic Bruce Campbell, produced by Scott Spiegel, and features a rousing score by Joseph LoDuca.

Where are Ash and Spiderman when you need them?

[Coventry · 7/10 · 22 January 2008]

Like all the other reviews stated clear already, "Thou Shalt Not Kill … Except" offers more interesting trivia details than actual good cinema. The film is somewhat of a side-project of the "Evil Dead"-team; only the roles and duties were exchanged for this once. Bruce Campbell (co-)wrote and Sam Raimi (nowadays the acclaimed director of blockbusters such as "Spiderman") stars as a thoroughly depraved, sneering and serial killing gang leader. He's totally awesome in a tacky kind of way! That means Raimi is a downright lousy actor, but if you see him go over the top here and then subsequently picture him sitting in the director's seat of a $200,000,000 box office hit … it's just a priceless image! The plot is familiar revenge/exploitation camp but ever more violent, senseless and uncompromising than it is usually the case. Four buddies that fought side by side in Vietnam reunite in their Michigan hometown for some random hard-drinking, sex with minors and blasting the hell out of wooden outhouses with shotguns. Meanwhile, there's a murderous gang of bikers active in the area. They're self-acclaimed messiahs, already killed several entire families and always clad nightmarish messages on the wall in human blood. You know, lovely stuff like "The Bloodbath is Coming!" Real-life scum as practice-shooting targets were just what our 'Nam buddies needed and it even gets personal when it turns out that the gang killed Stryker's befriended bartender and kidnapped his high school sweetheart. The body count in this film is enormous and each separate killing is somewhat imaginative. Unlike most Vietnam-themed retribution/vigilante flicks, like for example "Rolling Thunder" and "The Exterminator", the avengers here weren't depressed, embittered or dehumanized after serving in the war. Quite the contrary, they love bringing up memories about their tour together and literally enjoy shooting up the enemy… ANY type of enemy! Much more than the other entries in this sub genre, "Thou Shalt Not Kill … Except" is a pure glorification of violence. The filming style is gritty and very cheap, the editing and sound effects are really clumsy and the forced "happy" ending is truly hilarious. In other words; pure & genuine exploitation that won't get appreciated by everyone, but if you like this kind of trash and/or you want to see the other - more secret - side of Sam Raimi, "Thou Shalt Not Kill ... Except" comes with my highest recommendation.

"What's a good idea?"

[bad82 · 7/10 · 6 July 2000]

FYI: My comments about 'Stryker's War' are based on the recently released Collector's Edition. I strongly urge you to seek out this version above all others for one reason and one reason only: 'The Making of Thou Shalt Not Kill Except'. Without this vital piece of material the film is without it's glory. The short-story format, retelling of the journey from concept, to production and execution, makes the film ten times more enjoyable, especially for fans of the 'Evil Dead' series of films. The mention of Bruce Campbell (story) and Josh Becker (director, screenplay) "... kicking the story around..." while driving from Tennessee (from the set of 'Evil Dead') to Michigan is a fine example of the insight one gains from this 'Making of...' piece. For true fans.

As for the film itself, based on it's own merits... It's not very good. The film takes place in 1969 during the events of Vietnam and the Manson Family murders. The story revolves around Sgt. Stryker, a man honorably discharged from 'Nam due to an injury sustained in battle. He returns home and retires to his cabin only to soon be faced with a Manson family-esque group (complete with C. Manson look alike leader) terrorizing his loved ones. Stryker meets up with his old war comrades and decides to take back his piece of sanity from the malicious group of the deranged.

Perhaps you could state that the events in the film are in fact a metaphor for the insanity that is war and therefore vicariously is a metaphor for the Vietnam war... Except! Except for the fact that the film is just a silly variation on Rambo, but without the 'great' acting. The novice direction doesn't help, making much of the film bland and boring. The screenplay is definitely uneven despite being fine-tuned for years. The pacing is lop-sided and leaves all of the action in the last act (sans a scene or two in act two). The one bright spot in the production is Joseph LoDuca's (Music Composer) score at times. With a limited budget, the score is capable of making you forget about the sometimes low-production values displayed.

Despite all of it's short-comings... I like this film. I would have loved to have been at the standing-room only premiere of 'Sgt. Stryker's War' back in 1985. I probably wouldn't have liked it as much, seeing as how I was only three years old at the time, but just to be able to say I was one of the first people to see this film would be a kick. I can't really say that about any other film... See this film if you are an 'Evil Dead' fan (it features Sam Raimi, Ted Raimi, Bruce Campbell, Scott Spiegel, Joseph LoDuca and Josh Becker in various forms of production). See this film if you're a fan of the obscure. Most importantly though, see this film if your a fan of film, but only the Collector's Edition. If you do see the Collector's Edition then you'll understand this...

"What's a good idea?"

Satire of Vigilante Flicks

[eibon09 · 9 March 2000]

Thou Shalt Not Kill...Except(1985) is an exciting and entertaining action flick. The style of the film and the action has the flavour of Hong Kong action films of the late 1980's. The opening scenes reminded me of the Vietnam prologue in The Exterminator(1980). The four marines behave like the goon squad in William Lustig's Vigilante(1981). The final twenty minutes drift into Last House On The Left territory. Sam Raimi does a good job at playing the cult leader. It is refreshing in the way it pokes some fun at the vigilante movies.

blah!

[pogotheklown · 1/10 · 3 June 2003]

There is not one thing that I really liked about this movie. I thought if Bruce Campbell and Sam Raimi were involved, then this would be a decent flick. Boy, was I wrong. I found the story lacking. All but like two of the death were worth a darn.

"Never touch the sacrificial fluids...okey dokey?"

[Hey_Sweden · 7/10 · 30 April 2012]

"Stryker's War", a.k.a. "Thou Shalt Not Kill...Except", is solidly amusing low budget action nonsense that definitely delivers in the laughs department. In fact, it's silly enough for one to believe the filmmakers had their tongues firmly in their cheeks. It's admittedly rather rough, in both the acting and technical departments, but this adds to the appeal if you totally dig wild and wacky B cinema. From a story co-credited to Bruce Campbell, and a screenplay co-written by Scott Spiegel, Josh Becker directs this goofy fun flick that takes place in 1969, after young man Jack Stryker (Brian Schulz) has returned from Vietnam after an honourable discharge. He's soon visited by his wartime comrades, played by Robert Rickman, John Manfredi, and Timothy Patrick Quill. It's a good thing they're around, as soon Jack will go to war with a Manson Family type cult led by an absolutely priceless Sam Raimi in a hilarious hippie wig, after the cult murders Jack's good friend Otis (Perry Mallette) and abducts his old girlfriend Sally (Cheryl Hausen). While this remains agreeable viewing throughout, it might require patience on the part of some viewers to stick it out through the first half before we finally start getting to the really good stuff, with a lot of hysterical gore and sadism. These cult members are going to get what's coming to them, and THEN some. One can see that this is a labour of love for the filmmaking family including such talents as Raimi, Spiegel, Becker, and Campbell (the last having also worked in the sound department). Raimi's actor brother Ted also turns up as the goon wielding the chain. Clocking in at a reasonable 83 minutes, "Stryker's War" makes for good enough entertainment, no matter if it's not a particularly good film. It earns points more for its heart than anything else. There always is something appealing about watching something made on a low budget by people just wanting to make a movie and have some fun. Seven out of 10.

Early no-budget fun from the guys who went on to bring you Evil Dead & Xena

[batturtle · 5/10 · 20 February 2000]

Not a good movie by any means. But, it is very cool to see the early no budget work of some of the guys that went on to bring you such favorites as Evil Dead, Darkman & Xena. If your a fan of Renaissance Pictures & Sam Raimi, this one's well worth checking out.

Slightly above average low budget crap

[The_Void · 6/10 · 15 February 2007]

Being a big fan of The Evil Dead, I got my hopes up for this low budget affair as it features credits for a lot of the Evil Dead gang, and said film shows that they are all talented individuals. I respect this film on one front because it can't have cost much to make; but on the other hand, it's not all that good. The story revolves around the common theme, seen in films such as Rolling Thunder, of a Vietnam veteran getting revenge. This one does it in a bit more of a weird way, however, as the antagonist here is the leader of a satanic cult, and he's played by Sam Raimi! It's safe to say that Raimi is a far better director than actor, and even though his performance here is rubbish; it's good because it's full of camp, and the fact that we get to see The Evil Dead director camping it up is the one of the film's biggest selling points. The main reason I wasn't overly impressed with Thou Shalt Not Kill...Except was because it's really uneven; certain parts of the film are interesting and entertaining, but there are huge gaps where nothing much happens. Good is made of it by the ending, however, which features some nice gory scenes and high camp from most of the people involved. Overall, this is worth seeing for die hard fans of The Evil Dead (like me), but I wouldn't recommend going into it with your expectations raised too high.

Inconsistent, sometimes dull revenge yarn

[fertilecelluloid · 3/10 · 24 February 2006]

"Thou Shalt Not Kill...Except" is a Rambo-style revenge yarn with a little Charlie Manson thrown in for good measure. Sargeant Stryker, a 'Nam vet, and his patrol, are harassed back in America by a cult headed by hippy-looking Sam Raimi, the future director of "Spiderman". They hatch a plot to take bloody revenge on the cult members and gore follows. Unfortunately, since this film is captained by Josh Becker, the director of the awful "If I Had A Hammer", the passable "Running Time", and the execrable "Lunatics - A Love Story", the execution is flawed. The acting is deliberately over the top and inconsistent, and the special effects are cheesy, but the main problem with "..Except" is its uneven tone and pacing. Though a tale of vengeance, it has long, boring passages of puerile, pretentious dialog and the action sequences are unconvincing. It's like Becker decided he didn't want to be associated with an exploitation film, so he tried turning the rig around during shooting. The result is a very questionable "cult" film.

Thou shall not kill

[kosmasp · 7/10 · 27 May 2020]

Or as the movie states: Except ... in a war situation for example. Or if you find very despicable people who do not leave you a chance - as in kill or be killed. This is a sleeper as one other reviewer states. In one sense it may take too long for some to finally get to where you get the action you might long for (though it has a lot of stunts in between, there is nothing as exciting as the end fight).

Having said all that, this is as low budget as can get. And considering that, the effects are quite something! And seeing Sam Raimi as Cult Leader ... just hillarious (in a good sense). Overacting, cliches and all that. But all in good fun. And don't read too much into it. This does not make a political statement about war vets versus peace loving people (if you can call them that) ... This is just a fun action movie that likes to entertain - and that it achieves

Thou Shalt Not Watch... Unless

[secretagent_007 · 3/10 · 30 January 2008]

Story by Bruce Campbell, produced by Scott Spiegel, starring Sam Raimi, and directed by Josh Becker - the crew that made The Evil Dead. This is like a movie a couple of drunken friends would make over a weekend. Not a single thing is believable about it, from the main character's limp to the 30-year old they got to play a high school student. This is NOT a good movie, yet I can't call it totally un-enjoyable.

The story starts with some day-for-night, Midwest-for-Vietnam battle scenes in which Stryker gets his leg shot in a disastrous attack on an enemy village. This information could have been relayed quickly in any number of ways, but the first 20 minutes of the picture is devoted to this. It's all padding and has nothing to do with the rest of the movie, except for Stryker's fake limp and his Marine buddies showing up later on. Cut to Michigan years later. Stryker is coming back to his hometown at the same time a maniacal cult is cutting up the locals. But nobody notices until the Cult Leader (played by Spider-Man director Sam Raimi) kidnaps Stryker's potential girlfriend. Then he and his military pals bring on the violence.

The violence in this movie is so poorly executed, it's laughable. The squibs are visible underneath the actors' clothes, the blood is obviously red syrup, and the fight scenes are the least exciting I think I've ever seen. It's a rare movie that's so bad it's good (and funny). Most movies that people recommend for the same reason are usually so bad they're just bad. I don't expect anyone to rush out and see this based on it being a terrible movie. Most of the dialogue attempts to be taken seriously, but the occasional brilliantly stupid line comes up. "Don't touch the sacrificial fluids! Okey-dokey?" Or when the Cult Leader claims to be Jesus Christ reincarnated, Stryker simply replies, "No, you're not." It was all I could do to muffle my laughter and not wake up my roommates.

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"Don't touch the sacrificial fluids... okay dokey?"

[polysicsarebest · 10/10 · 28 October 2005]

This film has Sam Raimi as a Charles Manson-like figure with a big gang taking on a Vietnam veteran and his gang in Bruce Campbell's backyard. Tons of blood, death, and some nice gore happens. What more do you need to know? I really have nothing else to say that could make you see this. You've already made up your mind. This film is filled with tons of hilarious segments, including some army men doing kung-fu. The last 30 minutes or so of this film is just violent scene after violent scene, and here's the thing: it never gets old. I've seen so many films where the action gets pretty old after a while. After 500 explosions or so, I usually get tired. In fact, war films are probably the most notorious for this, featuring way too many deaths and action scenes and not enough compelling moments. But this film is actually entertaining in so many ways that I can't not recommend it. It's another film you'll want all your friends to watch. Just a straight-up good time.

Even though it's listed on IMDb as "Stryker's War", my copy is indeed known as "...Thou Shalt Not Kill, EXCEPT" which is probably the best movie title in history. Get this today. Also, check out "Intruder" which also has Sam and Ted and Bruce. Man, they used to all be doing such interesting, awesome things. Now... Spider-Man? Come on.

Absolute madness

[Jeremy_Urquhart · 5/10 · 12 January 2023]

I do love randomly finding out about some obscure movie, and then the very same day, being able to find it and watch it on YouTube. The wonders of the internet and modern technology I guess.

Even when the film's not great, that's just a cool thing to be able to do. And at least I can now say I've seen a movie that's essentially Vietnam Vets vs The Manson Gang in a forest, where Sam Raimi plays Charles Manson.

It's a violent fairytale comeuppance for a terrible person don't 34 years before Tarantino did it more famously in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. I think I could recommend this movie to fans of 80s B-movies, but it's overall only going to have a pretty niche audience.

A Sleeper of a Film

[eibon04 · 24 April 2000]

Stryker's War is a very good and well made independant feature from the makers of The Evil Dead series. It deals with soliders who have trouble adjusting to civilian live and only find meaning when they go into combat espcially with the murderous cult lead by a Manison type person. The battle scene in Vietnam during the first few moments of the film and the battle in the woods during the climax really parallel each other as if the soldiers will do nothing but battle for the rest of their lives. The acting is so-so but what the actors do, espcially the four soliders is something that plagued many people after returning from a tour in Vietnam. One film that this movie compares to in a small scale is Rolling Thunder(1977). Some of the set pieces in Stryker's War(1985) are terrific for a low budget action flick.

Surprisingly good and fun enough.

[Boba_Fett1138 · 6/10 · 14 May 2012]

This is not simply an independent movie, it's an amateur movie! It got put together by a bunch of friends, with a passion for movie making but without a sufficient budget. It makes the movie quite awkwardly looking in parts but it doesn't prevent it from becoming a fun and still quite good one.

It is a pretty odd movie, that is hard to take seriously really but then again, not all movies are supposed to be taken serious. Sometimes movies can just offer you simple pleasure and the creators of this movie must besides had some pretty good fun with it as well, which can be seen back on the screen.

If it wasn't for Sam Raimi's involvement, this movie would had probably been lost into obscurity already. Raimi and director Josh Becker were friends at the time and most of the movie got shot in Bruce Campbell's backyard. All pretty awesome facts that don't help to make the movie any better but it is something that makes this movie a curiosity piece for a whole bunch of people out there.

And yes, the movie is actually worth watching. It's stupid, it's simple, it's cheap but it is fun as well! At first this movie didn't seemed like it would be a good one at all. For the longest time the story was going absolutely nowhere and was simply dragging on, no doubt to extend its running time. The real 'story' and fun kicks in during its second half, when the movie turns into a good old fashioned exploitation flick.

No doubt that the '70's exploitation genre formed the biggest inspiration for this movie. The second half of the movie is nothing but violence and gore. No nudity though, though the movie also easily could had gone that way. It's that kind of movie! The violence and gore isn't all that convincing and very over the top really but this all adds to the overall fun level of the movie.

There is no way that you could call this a great movie but it's one you can have a great time with while watching and having a couple of laughs at it while still being entertained by it all. It's not laughable bad, it's enjoyable bad! And the film-makers luckily had no problem with this and didn't took themselves very seriously to begin with.

6/10

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better than "Troma's War"

[movieman_kev · 9/10 · 30 December 2004]

Sgt. Jack Stryker survives being in Vietnam, but when he returns to try to rekindle friendships and maybe lost love. A Manson-type cult led by Evil Dead/Spider-man director Sam Raimi comes looking for trouble so it's up to Stryker and his soldier buddies to kick some dirty hippie ass. It resembles a Troma movie. And If this WERE a Troma picture, I guarantee you that a lot of the reviews for it wouldn't be so bad. This is the kind of movie that you have to watch with your drinking buddies and laugh at how bad it is. How can you not like such an over-the-top Sam Raimi, or a Mr. T look-a-like?? My Grade: B DVD Extras: Commentary by Josh Becker and Bruce Campbell (which is a hoot too); a deleted scene; and theatrical trailer Eye Candy: Terry-Lynn Brumfield gets topless, the only reason she was hired for the part

You'll fall in love with it all over again!

[timmy242 · 22 December 2000]

I'm a huge fan of the Raimi films, of course, but the reason I loved this film is more sublime. I did some acting work with Brian (the star of Stryker's War) a while back and for me it was like watching a pal on the big screen. It was at a cast party and we all sat back, groaned and howled with laughter. What an awesome stinker of a film, it was marvelous! He shared stories of working with Raimi, Campbell and others we have all come to know and love. I'm from Michigan myself, and we are all very proud of this crew. What a great legacy for Michigan! Go see this movie, you just might regret and love it.

Stunning, stirring look at post-Vietnam US

[PeaBody-4 · 10/10 · 22 January 1999]

Although I saw this film under the title "Thou Shalt Not Kill Except. . .," I feel that it would be just as effective under any name. The film is divided into two segments, the first taking place in Vietnam and the second back in the US. The gripping battle sequences of the opening section might lead you to believe that this is just a below-average combat picture. But it's when Stryker returns to the US that the film really takes off. He returns from the front a changed man, walking with a limp as he rekindles old friendships (and just maybe a love affair!). But Stryker's world is shattered all over again when his gal pal gets kidnapped by a murderous gang of drug-addled cretins led by Sam Raimi. The stage is set for Stryker ro reunite his old 'Nam unit and go on one last mission -- to wipe out the evil cult leader. The film is exceptionally well-written and nicely shot -- you'll believe they're actually IN Vietnam! And the performances are first-rate, especially by the actors playing Love Machine and Chainman. This is great stuff for fans of the genre, and has become a cult hit in its own right in certain areas. Stryker's troubling return to 'normalcy' closely parallels the experience of many Vietnam vets whose lives were torn apart by guys just like Chainman. Well worth checking out, if you can find a copy.

Vietnam veterans versus killer hippies

[Woodyanders · 8/10 · 20 April 2021]

Wounded, but still tough and viable Vietnam war veteran Jack Stryker (a solid and likeable performance by Brian Schulz) and his rugged Marine buddies declare open season on a deranged Mansonesque hippie cult leader (a deliciously hammy portrayal by Sam Raimi) and his equally unhinged followers after the cult abducts Stryker's girlfriend Sally (sweet Lucy Gutteridge).

Director/co-writer Josh Becker keeps the entertainingly trashy story zipping along at a quick pace, stages the exciting action with rip-roaring go-for-the-throat gusto, maintains a cheerfully outrageous tongue-in-cheek tone complete with a wickedly funny sense of twisted dark humor, and delivers a handy helping of gloriously gory and excessive over-the-top violence. Ted Raimi has a field day as a crazy chain-brandishing dude. Joseph LoDuca's robust score hits the rousing spot. Becker's lively cinematography makes occasional invigorating use out of a wildly careening camera. A total blast.

Excellently done horror/action

[Cannable · 10/10 · 13 June 1999]

Although around the middle of this film you may have a bit of trouble making sense of it, not really knowing if this is a horror, despite one scene involving the cult of if some idiot at blockbuster placed the film in the wrong category, but once it gets going boy does it get going. The climax is quite gory but if you have a strong stomach for that kind of stuff you'll appreciate the eerie music and suspense of a horror movie and the gunfights, fistfights and well action of an action movie. Dont take my word for it, just watch it, it's good.

Features a splendid performance!

[Kennyingle · 2 August 2004]

This film is a must see for those who wish to witness an extraordinary acting demonstration by Dan Nelson. An incredible performance that was overlooked by critics during the films release. Nelson deserved better! His acting career never elevated itself to its full potential after Stryker's War dwindled at the box office. If you are a young actor, I urge you to rent this movie and learn from a master. You will be a better thespian after watching him act. I believe that acting should be taken to a high level no matter what material an actor has to deal with. Stryker's War did not give Dan Nelson much to play with, but it was fun to see Dan take a script and turn his scenes into gems.

The Best Bad Film Ever Made!

[tibejordan · 7 January 2000]

I remember seeing the trailer for this film in the theater when I was fourteen or fifteen and laughing my head off. Unfortunately, I didn't come across the film again for several years until my best friend in high school ran across a copy in a small video store. Boy what a find! I was completely sober and on the floor laughing for ninety minutes! Terrible acting, horrific sound effects (laser-like sounds in the Vietnam scenes), miss-placed blocking by the actors (one guy jerks BEFORE he's shot)and total lack of coherency or logic make this a must see! I mean, Vietnam vets take revenge on Manson-like killer in the middle of a forest? What's not to love? Bye the way, if you like this, check out a film called "Hard Rock Zombies."