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  • I have seen this documentary several times and have studied the question of the origin of the AIDS epidemic for many years. I thought it was actually being conservative for what it could have presented as relevant or in support of Hoopers' theory.

    It was riveting to actually see and hear members of the team that made the vaccine in question speak about their experiences and reveal little known evidence about its production. I was shocked at the statement of one famous vaccinologist when asked about its production.

    I found myself saying 'Oh my God' at other evidence shown but only briefly touched upon. I think that if you know enough about the subject before seeing this documentary you will likely not view the pandemic and those affected as you did before. Especially, when you ponder the many implications of the evidence presented in the political climate of the times.
  • This is a careful step by step look at the probability that AIDS started as a disease in chimps and crossed over man in polio vaccine in the late 1950's in Africa. It begins with a story in Rolling Stone back in the late 80's or early 90's that was crucified in the scientific community not because it wasn't possible, rather because it named the wrong monkeys used and attacked a pillar of the research community and then moves on from there to later investigations on the subject which show very clearly that the race to cure polio may have made us the target of something worse. Using the words of those involved as well as the papers and documentary films from the time this is a chilling look at how science can go really wrong and how scientists will circle the wagons to protect one of their own, even in the face of evidence that something is afoot.

    I like the calm and unsensational connecting of the dots that is used to lay out the case keeping everything on a level playing field, even at the end where the film makers say flat out that short of ever coming upon a sample of the drug from that time we will never know if this is a source of the HIV/AIDS virus. However there is enough circumstantial evidence to make you reasonably sure that they have gotten things right. (an interesting note is the quoted exchange of letters between competing scientists where one warns that the other that his vaccine appears to be contaminated with an unknown and here to fore never seen before virus, a warning that was completely dismissed).

    See this movie since it will open your mind.
  • Warning: Spoilers
    This documentary presents the argument that journalist Edward Hooper makes in his book "The River", that SIV became HIV through a widespread oral polio vaccine (OPV) trial in the Belgian Congo in the late 1950s. OPV is made using tissue cultured primate cells. Generally these are from the organs of Asian monkeys not so closely related to humans as African primates. Even using distant relatives to Humans, the possible oncogenic virus SV-40 contaminated OPV and infected people.

    This movie argues that Hillary Koprowski oversaw a field trial that used chimp organs as the basis for OPV production. Koprowski denies that claim, and has produced a vial of the same lot that he says was used in the vaccine trial, that is SIV-free. The movie counter-argues that those lots were used as seeds for local production of OPV, in chimp cells. The film backs up the claim with records of chimp capture and sacrifice, and interviews with lab techs that say that they harvested the organs for tissue culture, saw it being performed, and even labeled the product as "vaccine".

    The movie also chronicles how the scientific community has stonewalled the people who have supported this hypothesis about the origin of AIDS, when the "bush meat" argument seems less likely.

    A talking head says that it was unlikely that Koprowski shipped the gallons of OPV overseas. That should be easy to check. Even if the documentation was sketchy back then, it should be easy to tell, from notebooks and animal handling records, if Koprowski was producing millions of doses of OPV in the US, or if he was producing thousands of vials of seed virus for local production in the Congo. For all the minutiae of chimp handling in the Congo, I'm disappointed in the lack of investigation on the US side, and that's the film's biggest flaw, the one that makes it seem the most one-sided.

    It's a thought-proving documentary now showing on Sundance, and you should check it out.

    Kubrick 7-2, in an earlier comment, wanted to know when the earliest case of HIV was reported. To the best of my knowledge, it was in 1959, from the Congo. The 1930s date of the origin of AIDS was, I believe, based on the known mutation rate of HIV and the divergence from the strains of SIV thought to be the ancestors of HIV-1. The film claims that hypothesis is being challenged.

    jbowmore notes that we are still using animal serum for vaccines, though there is an artificial answer. I don't know the full details of modern OPV production, but they are surely tested for non-OPV viral presence, and are likely not grown from primary primate cell lines (i.e. ground up organs) but from immortal cell lines. So much safer than in the late 50s. A recombinant vaccine, which the movie suggests, is not guaranteed to work and would be very expensive to develop. The Salk vaccine is closer to a recombinant vaccine, and it was replaced by the OPV in large part because the OPV conferred better immunity.
  • geraldicus9 February 2005
    To my mind, an additionally disturbing aspect of this deeply enthralling 'theoretical' documentary was that I just caught it by chance at an obscure hour on one of the more obscure, pseudo fringe channels, namely Sundance. Why this documentary is not considered worthy of prime-time airing, allowing a far greater number of the population to see it and draw their own conclusions escapes me. But then again, maybe not.

    In essence, was the HIV pandemic created by a fluke accident of tribal rituals or the 'cut hunter' theory, i.e. tribal hunters in central Africa (the Belgian Congo, now Zaire) becoming exposed to contaminated monkey blood containing SIV (Simian Imunodefficency Virus) through cuts or abrasions on themselves, or was this tragedy 'man made' through mass inoculations in Africa of Polio vaccine which had been cultured from monkey tissue contaminated with SIV which, when entering humans turns to HIV.

    I could go on and on, but my simple advice would be, make this the next documentary you watch, I was hooked from beginning to end. One of its strengths is the way it puts across all the evidence supporting its key theories in a very matter-of-fact, understated way, hence avoiding slipping into the dangerous arena of 'sensationalist journalism'. It's enthralling, intelligent and, as one may imagine, deeply disturbing. It's a film, I believe, that should be seen by as many people as possible. So why haven't the more mainstream channels picked this up?. Maybe 'who's wearing what' on the Oscars red carpet is still deemed far more important.
  • Warning: Spoilers
    With all due respect Mr. Fickling, you need to watch the documentary again. A key factor suggested was the three-location testing of the competing polio vaccines of the day: Salk's, Sabine's, and Kaprowski's. Salk's was used in the US, Sabine's in Russia, and Kaprowski chose to produce and test his in the Begian Congo in Africa. The other two researchers documented use of different kinds of monkeys, not known to carry SIV. Kaprowski SAYS he did not use chimpanzees, but the documentary does a great job of presenting eye witnesses and documentation that suggests he is not being truthful. And the point being, it was in chimpanzees in Africa that we found SIV, the genetic ancestor to HIV.

    Then, more than a million people were vaccinated with his product.

    The documentary is presented as a theory, because there are no samples of his vaccine left to test. But everyone who cares about this epidemic should see this film and make their own informed decision about what really happened.
  • Warning: Spoilers
    This excellent documentary proposes a hypothesis that primate kidney tissue substrates were used to incubate and propagate polio vaccines. The researchers did not seek approval from the W.H.O. to make this vaccine and no research notes were kept. The hypothesis that the filmmakers used was that a Primate Virus was also present with the Polio vaccine. More than 1 million people were innoculated with this vaccine. The Lindi research center also very inhumanely captured and destroyed over 600 chimpanzees, whose kidneys they harvested using no anesthesia. Because this happened in the late 50's early 60's many of the research scientists are now deceased. The scientific community tried to claim there was no truth to the accusations but they were never able to produce a sample vaccine that they claimed was used back then. A VERY thought provoking and compelling film that I highly recommend. I was deeply saddened by both the treatment of the innocent animals and by the cavalier approach of the researchers to endanger the lives of hundreds of thousands of innocent people who didn't have the ability to refuse the inoculation. This film is a must see and I have rated it a 10. I think additional research is needed and further studies should be done.
  • It is bad enough for the irresponsibility of Science to create a plague that will devastate a species, but it is even worse when the priests of this Church of Science feel it is morally defensible to use man's closest living relative. the Chimpanzee, as a laboratory victim, and to systematically destroy these creatures in Death Camps, far from the scrutiny of society.

    This movie represents far more than the excesses that Science will go to; the kind of Science that was practiced in the Nazi Death Camps.

    This movie represents nothing less than a Chimpanzee Holocaust.

    These scientists should be brought to trial. Science itself must stand before the tribunal of History. I have recorded a DVD of this film. I have found it unavailable for purchase on DVD. The Scientific and Pharmaceutical Community and their army of lawyers are keeping it from the public as much as they can.

    DVD recordings can easily be burnt onto VHS, or so I've heard. Someone should do that.

    I welcome discussion at eurydice@cruzio.com
  • Warning: Spoilers
    This is basically an excellent documentary. It is certainly the case that it shows that the scientists lied about their vaccine. However, that does not mean that this is what caused the epidemic to begin. One question is how it is that the native nurses or laboratory assistants who took care of the chimpanzees and operated on them and did autopsies on them...did not themselves get AIDS. Did they have a special immunity? You have to consider that although the sure way to get AIDS is through injection or transfusion, it is also the case that close contact with blood is extremely dangerous. I somehow doubt that they were dressed in space suits when they worked on the Chimps. I will assume that the non-natives involved had the Salk vaccine before embarking on their project. At any rate you can have a group of Nazis involved in something, but they might not have caused what you think they did. I think it would be a good idea to start compiling reliable data on all the medical and biological research done in Africa from 1920 through 1978. It would also be a good idea to get better data on substances used by native witch doctors in those areas in which AIDS first surfaced.

    What the film shows about the use of the chimpanzees is about as horrifying as most of us can imagine. You literally see the life being taken out of the living chimpanzees whose organs are being removed. That's enough to make anyone consider that medical science needs to be rebuilt on new foundations.
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    For such incendiary implications this documentary is unbelievably dull.

    It was like pulling my teeth out trying to get through it. Depressing.

    All I seemed to know for sure is the very harsh details about monkey organ harvesting in the Congo for vaccine research.

    Wouldn't really expect any doctors who' might have caused the AIDS epidemic to own up to it, so shouldn't really be surprised by the incomplete conclusions.

    Yet again, Africa seems to have been the hushed up testing ground for the horrific underbelly of the modern world. I wonder what China's CCP has got planned for the continent in its 21st century as global hegemon?

    Here's a clue, look at what larks were had by all and sundry in 2020...
  • lastliberal1 December 2007
    In a small recognition of World AIDS Day, I spent some time watching this outstanding documentary about the origin of the disease.

    There is no debate as to where and when HIV-1 originated, but there has been some discussion as to exactly how.

    Was it naturally occurring, or did we somehow do it ourselves? This film answers that question and leaves little doubt as to the origin of these terrible disease.

    The answer will certainly surprise you and cause you to wonder about the way we are all treated as guinea pigs in the name of science and profits.
  • This documentary was very well done, and argued its case very well. I would like to have seen more on the genetics behind HIV and the known versions of SIV, but there are, apparently, not that many samples of SIV from the region, and new wildlife protection laws make it difficult to get more.

    However... One of the other comments here asked why HIV did not appear early in the US if all vaccines were prepared using chimps. The documentary makes it clear that:

    1) Most of the polio vaccines were prepared in a monkey serum. 2) Only the OPV used in the Congo was prepared using chimp serum, and it is from chimp SIV that we got HIV. Now there are some that claim SIV became HIV through hunting, but the OPV theory seems much more plausible.

    As for why it's important to know about this now... We are still using animal serums for vaccines. We could use artificial serum, but it is more costly.
  • Origins of AIDS, The (2003)

    *** (out of 4)

    Thought provoking documentary that tries to link monkey's used to fight polio in Africa with the outbreak of AIDS. I remember when the original article in Rolling Stone brought this subject up and I also remember a lot of scientists blowing the theory out of the water but this documentary does a great job at showing how some might believe that the disease got started as a cure against polio. I read somewhere that this theory has been proved wrong since this documentary was released but I'm not certain on that. As for this film, there's a lot of deep and rich detail given on the history of the disease and what was going on in Africa during the time of the polio outbreak. I'm not sure where the truth lies but this is a fascinating documentary either way.
  • Warning: Spoilers
    Well, honestly, leaving the evidence aside for a moment (even though I tend to agree with the premise of of the film) they intimate / imply several times that Kaprowski isn't being forthright or honest. I have to say that if someone was accusing me of creating HIV I probably wouldn't be so forthcoming with them either.

    Otherwise I think the film did a great job of making a good case that the vaccine in question was the vector by which SIV made its jump to HIV. The other interviews with forthcoming lab techs from that era are compelling evidence that Kaprowski isn't being 100% truthful, or at least wasn't 100% aware of what was going on.

    One deficency that I would have liked to have cleared up was the bit about when the first documented case of HIV / AIDS was reported. The documentary claims that it was after the start of the use of the oral vaccine, then it says that the academy reviewing the hypothesis said the first case was in the 20s or 30s. Finally they just dismiss this claim. I think it would have been much more...convincing had they been able to present more credible evidence regarding the origin of AIDS, perhaps a follow-up documentary can present a fuller image of the history before delving into the events in the Congo in the late 50s.
  • The polio vaccine in 1957 Congo ,did start the HIV epidemic..This is proved in the epic novel..(The River by Edward Hooper) It is a fine piece of work and 1000 pages long..I defy anyone to read this book and not be 100% sure..You will get plenty of dis- information on this subject and it will be junk science, gibberish..This is because an experimental vaccine was used on Africans who didn't even suffer from polio..The "bleach' virus was a western problem...Which brings us to the reality ,and why this is covered up in the west..For a village in the Congo to get an outbreak of polio.,a well job was undertaken..That this was population control is certain as many,many elites want de-population in a way I cant describe here.... A group of elites met in Holland 1954 ,the bandenberg group,3 years later comes HIV....In 1978,21 years later a hep B vaccine in new york started the American contagion,also pop control against gays ans drug addict..Now order that book online as it is hidden from the general public and see for yourself .