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  • irishjenna23 January 2020
    Just watched this flick, not sure how I've missed it all these years. This is definitely an art house type film shown in a non linear fashion, so it won't be up everyone's alley but I like how it was told.

    Now I have to correct some of these other reviews I've seen. As someone who works in the psych field and deals with patients from toddlers to seniors, I'm putting it out there right now that Kevin is not a sociopath but straight up a psychopath...and yes, they are different. Officially he can't be diagnosed under 18 with antisocial personality, so he'd be under some conduct or oppositional defiance disorder until he's 18.

    Psychopaths are usually born this way as oppose to sociopaths that are created through childhood trauma. Sociopaths have little empathy but psychopaths have zero empathy and cannot form true bonds with others. Their bonds are strictly superficial and self serving. They are highly cunning, calm, collected, and manipulative which can lead them to be very charming (think Bundy). Sociopaths are more impulsive, erratic, and have angry outbursts. Being a psychopath is how Kevin was able to manipulate everyone into thinking he was a good kid, all the while messing with his mom's head cause he enjoyed watching her squirm.

    I've also seen other posters blame Tilda as the mom, saying she never bonded with him. Well, that may make him dislike her, but that won't turn him into a killer. He's a born psychopath, period.
  • ferguson-64 March 2012
    Greetings again from the darkness. The Brady Bunch, this isn't. It's also not the place to look for helpful parenting tips. In fact, the story revolves around Eva, a woman (Tilda Swinton) who apparently didn't want to have a child ... at least not at this time, and certainly not THIS child. If you have seen The Omen, you probably gave thanks that you didn't have a child like Damien. At least we knew Damien was the spawn of Satan. Eva's son Kevin, is instead a good old fashioned psychopath. One who has an inherent need to cause pain and misery for his mother.

    What a pair Eva and Kevin make. From day one, Kevin seems to sense his mother's lack of joy in parenthood. And he seems to have a genetic disposition of making her pay. As with many psychopaths, his above average intelligence makes him even more dangerous. He is tricky enough to keep his dad (John C Riley) clueless as to his nature, while causing much doubt in the dad's mind as to the stability of his wife.

    My favorite part is actually how director Lynne Ramsay structured the storytelling. It goes beyond non-linear and actually bounces throughout three key periods: Kevin as a baby/toddler, Kevin as a 6-8 year old (Jason Newell), and Kevin as a teenager (Ezra Miller). Each age is progressively more frightening and disenchanting, and the film begins with what is an undetermined catastrophe. This event is slowly revealed over the course of the movie, though we witness events leading up to it, as well as the resulting fallout.

    There are a few scenes where Eva is scrubbing the exterior of her house in an attempt to remove the red paint that was purposefully splattered. As a viewer, we understand that she has blood on her hands and she seems resigned to the fact that she is now a social outcast, even a pariah. We spend much of the movie in Eva's jumbled thoughts as she tries to piece together what has happened and why. Of course, there is no answer. The title explains what was missing all along. There was no communication and no willingness to confront the problem ... a psychopathic son. To say they all paid the price is an understatement.

    This film has a very limited audience, though my claim is that Ms. Swinton was quite deserving of an Oscar nomination. She wears defeat like a mask and lives in isolation better than most could. Even the music is offbeat and unusual in its use ... thanks to Radiohead's Jonny Greenwood. As filmmaking, this is high art. As storytelling, it's a bit muddled and quite a downer.
  • In an interview with Lionel Shriver' about her highly successful 2005 novel she commented on the difficulty of the project: 'It was admittedly draining. And throughout, I was anxious that because I had never had a child myself, I didn't know what I was talking about and readers who were parents would catch me out.' As adapted for the screen by director Lynne Ramsay and Rory Kinnear this story becomes a terrifyingly realistic exploration of the subject of inherent evil and the manner in which we deal with it. The film is particularly timely as we read almost daily of youngsters killing classmates in schools across the country. But first the story:

    Eva Khatchadourian (Tilda Swinton) is trying to piece together her life following the "incident". Once a successful travel writer, she is forced to take whatever job comes her way, which of late is as a clerk in a travel agency. She lives a solitary life as people who know about her situation openly shun her, even to the point of violent actions toward her. She, in turn, fosters that solitary life because of the incident, the aftermath of which has turned her into a meek and scared woman. That incident involved her son Kevin Khatchadourian (Ezra Miller as a teenager and Jasper Newell as a 6 year old and Rock Duer as a toddler), who is now approaching his eighteenth birthday. Eva and Kevin have always had a troubled relationship, even when he was an infant. Whatever troubles he saw, Franklin (John C. Reilly), Eva's complacent husband, just attributed it to Kevin being a typical boy. The incident may be seen by both Kevin and Eva as his ultimate act in defiance against his mother.

    Ramsay tells her story in bits and pieces of a collage of moments from the birth of Kevin to his incarceration. For some this kind of non-linear story telling may be disconcerting, but for this viewer it seems like a close examination of the mind of a mother who simply cannot believe she has birthed and is raising a child who is the epitome of evil. The fact that we are aware of something hideous that has happened from the beginning does not get in the way of watching the slow maturation of Kevin - first as a constantly screaming infant to a maliciously bad little boy to a viciously cruel and evil teenager with whom his mother cannot connect except for one very telling instance when she reads the young Kevin 'Robin Hood' and his arrows, at which point Kevin shows a degree of affection for Eva. That moment proves in retrospect to be the nidus for the horror that lies ahead. Yet to say more about the story wound diminish the impact one the viewer. Tilda Swinton is extraordinary in her role as is Ezra Miller. The film. At least, for this viewer, is a powerfully disturbing one and a very fine insight into how evil deeds can happen.

    Grady Harp
  • We need to talk about Kevin is easily one of the most harrowing films I've ever seen and left me completely empty. Lynne Ramsey succeeds where so many others dealing with a similar subject matter have failed, as she abstains from sensationalism and bloody detail. Instead she focuses in on character and relationship development and breakdown.

    Tilda Swinton gives a truly great performance and even though the main thread of the story is clear almost from the start, she and the rest of the terrific cast manage to keep the viewer glued to the screen.

    One of the most interesting facets of the film was that it showed how much power children can hold and execute over adults if they are given the opportunity.

    We need to talk about Kevin is quality from start to finish and deserves to become a classic. I'm looking forward to seeing many more films by Lynne Ramsay.
  • This is quite simply one of the best films of the year. Even the book's author, Lionel Shriver (a woman) praises the film, calling it 'a brilliant adaptation'. Being a first-time dad, the story fascinated me. What happens if you don't love your own child... and they know it?

    Tilda Swinton, not normally a favourite of mine, is exceedingly good as Eva, the mum uninterested in maternity. Gravid when she least wants to be (she's career-minded), out pops Kevin, her little Damien. You know from the moment she refuses skin-to-skin things are not going to bode well.

    She has no idea how to deal with a baby. Her idea of subduing him is to stand next to a pneumatic drill to drown out his relentless screaming. Kevin grows up knowing he is unloved and demonstrates this through devilish behaviour towards Eva.

    Gradually Eva, if not embraces motherhood, then at least gets better at it. Perhaps this is due to her giving birth to her second child, a girl, who Kevin of course hates with a passion. Or maybe the idea of being a mum sinks in, along with the realisation that a career is not the most important thing in life.

    Eva's betterments do nothing to placate Kevin: he gets worse. Eva's attempts to complain are met with ridicule by the father (John C. Reilly), who thinks she is delusional. Years of unintentional, but sometimes intentional, neglect take their toll on Kevin, and the film's tragic conclusion seems inevitable.

    The origin for Kevin's behaviour has polarised audiences. Did Eva create a monster by failing to form a bond early on? Should she have sought help from professionals if she felt she wasn't coping? Or was Kevin simply a bad seed; an innately evil child who no one could have cured?

    Now that I've had the chance to reflect, I think it's unfair to judge son or mother. I'd be surprised if Ramsay wanted audiences to do that. What would be the point? The film is a starkly brilliant exploration of a failed relationship and the consequences that has on a family and an entire community.

    If Swinton can win an Oscar so easily for her role in 'Michael Clayton', she should be celebrating her second win now. It's one of those performances which needs months of detoxification and psychoanalysis to move on from. Her acting is matched by new-kid-on-the-block Ezra Miller, who plays her lovelorn son. He brings to his role a controlled ferocity we are not used to seeing. His portrayal works, apart from his first-class acting, because he's not the stereotype. To look at him, you would say he was handsome and ingenuous. But looks are deceptive.

    It's hard for people to be repulsed by films nowadays, but there are scenes which will shock. So rare is it to see this kind of film. They vanish as quickly as they appear. I implore you to see this if you can. You'll be moved if not entertained.

    www.moseleyb13.com
  • While the idea behind "We Need to Talk About Kevin" is exceptional, I was put off by the direction of this film. While I know that a non-linear way of film making is popular these days, it's often overused--and here it is not used effectively. Too many times, the film jumps about in time and this took me out of the experience. This makes the film too unnecessarily confusing--so I am glad that I knew the plot so I could understand what was happening. Additionally, the film used a very deliberate artsy style--such as the overuse of the color red (the tomato fight, the stack of tomato soup cans, the paint)--resulting in sledgehammer symbolism. For me, the story was very strong on its own and didn't need all these tricks.

    Tilda Swinton stars as a mother of a child who is seriously disturbed. However, her husband (John C. Reilly) is in complete denial and inexplicably the kid is never taken to see a therapist (or exorcist). As the film progresses, the child grows from an Oppositional-Defiant child to a cold and ruthless sociopath as a teen. You never ever hear about how he is perceived by teachers and neighbors--an odd omission. However, including the child killing animals, having one of the parents in complete denial, sexually offensive behavior and the hasty behavior towards his sister are all excellent touches--which I noticed since I used to work with folks like this (which would explained why I eventually gave up being a therapist and became a teacher). Unfortunately, as the film is out of sequence, you already know that sooner or later this will all lead to Kevin committing some atrocities.

    Overall, this is a very compelling but frustrating film. I already talked about the film style which left me flat, but I also thought it very odd how the only one who seemed to notice anything unusual about Kevin was his mom. Even clever sociopaths are noticeable--perhaps not to everyone but to only be apparent to one person? Odd... The film is worth seeing but it just misses the mark for me--it could have been great.
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    "We Need to Talk About Kevin" is a British/American co-production from 2011, so this 110-minute movie is getting closer and closer to its 10th anniversary. The writer and director is Scottish (then not yet) BAFTA winner Lynne Ramsay and this movie here is probably still her most known work by far if we look at the number of votes on imdb, but also if we look at awards recognition. Oscar winner Tilda Swinton here got as close as it gets to her second Academy Award nomination, but just like Daniel Brühl and Idris Elba she had to learn the hard way that sometimes GG, BAFTA and SAG award nominations are not enough to also get in at the Oscars, even if it doesn't happen too often. Here pretty much Rooney Mara sneaked in over her. That should be all in terms of awards now. Let's take a look at the film. It is really all about Swinton. Short mentions to supporting players John C. Reilly (as the husband here a bit surprising as I expected a British actor) and Ezra Miller, who was already despite his age a pretty prolific actor at that point. Now it is arguable if he's really supporting as he plays the title character, but so do other actors and honestly, overall this film is nobody's but Swinton's, not only because she is in basically every scene.

    This is the story of a mother who really struggles to find love and affection for her son. We see this in obvious moments and more subtle scenes. The most obvious is certainly when she talks to her son and he is still pretty young and says something along the lines that he basically destroyed her life and she'd rather be childless in Paris right now. The fact that her husband hears these words makes it even more awkward for everybody involved. As for the more subtle scenes, I want to mention one that is rather minor, but really stayed in my mind for some reason, namely when they returned home and Kevin has his broken arm and she talks to him and says something along the lines of "what your mother did was really really bad". She does not say I. She talks of herself in the third person. An apology with "I" would have felt far more authentic and personal in my opinion. Also even with all the bad Kevin is doing, we need to keep in mind that Eva (Swinton) is far from a saint herself here. Her words on obese people are as offensive (are they true? for you to decide) as some actions and words directed at her son and other people. You will know what I mean when you see those. However, this should not lead away from the conclusion that the only real antagonist here is Kevin. There is a saying that high intelligence can get in the way of finding true happiness and I think this description also fits him. We see during the ball training as a child and when we hear him say all these numbers that he definitely has a high IQ, even if he is a sociopath and at the very end he says some line that is as brief as it is memorable about being happy. I could probably elaborate on about 20 scenes at least here how we see he is a psychopath from the very beginning. Okay not when he is a baby, even if it was probably no coincidence that he won't stop screaming in the arms of his mother, but acts peacefully when held by his father. But the ball scene I already mentioned is very telling. He knows exactly what to do, but he does not want to make his mother happy. And when he does for a moment, then he only does so that he can disappoint her right afterwards again. The kitchen scene is of course really painful to watch for me as a guinea pig owner myself. But yeah causing harm to animals at a relatively young age is always considered a recurring event for people who commit homicide later on in life. The sister's eye is also really obvious and maybe we don't even want to know exactly what happened there. It's easy to imagine with how he acts towards his sister on other occasions like the hair scene is one good example. But he is really as cold and void of emotions and love as he is to everybody else. Including his dad? Yes including his dad too. At times, it seems as if he has a better connection with him, but really with what happens at the very end, we find out it was all make-believe. He sees him as weak and not worthy of living and probably the moments Kevin acts nicer to him are only mostly so that he will keep training archery with him. Now I just mentioned what happens to the dad and sister at the very end and that was really heartbreaking honestly. One of the moments that will shake you honestly. More because of the girl than the father admittedly, but still. Another scene that had me on the edge of my seat was when Eva arrives at the school knowing a massacre had happened and when she sees the way how the doors are closed, she realizes her son is the culprit. She does not need to see him seconds later, but of course as we see him surrender to police it makes the moment even more intense with the smile on his lips and clearly he enjoys the fact that his mother is there to see what he did. She is always his target in terms of punishing her emotionally, not violently as with everybody else, especially at the ending.

    There is of course the scene with the broken arm again that is a prime example. He does not tell anybody what Eva really did and what happened, so he basically has something to use against her whenever he wants. And he does so, even on minor occasions just to push through with his preferences as we see when he scratches on the scar and Eva agrees to go home then and not to do some quick shopping. He just enjoys to torture his mother all the time. There is of course that masturbation scene when every other boy his age would have stopped immediately and would have been really ashamed, but he just keeps going and starts to grin. More scenes that fit the description: Like when she finds out what happened to the guinea-pig and he realizes she just found it and the way he looks at her. Or when he early on really misses the mark with his arrow and then the next shot perfectly would have hit his mother without the glass in-between. This is a film that can be talked about a lot. After the initial reaction is gone, that is. Nobody was moving until after the closing credits rolled in because as good as this film may have been, it is certainly among the most depressing movies you will ever watch. Could he have been stopped? What could have been done differently? We have moments that involve Reilly's character when we see him react in an apologetic way, of course the baby scene early on, but also a very specific moment later on when she actually says that Kevin did it (I think it was about the guinea pig) and his reaction is that maybe she should talk to somebody, so the moment she slightly asks for help, she gets a response that she is just overreacting and she is the one who is unstable. This probably also has to do with Kevin sucking up to his dad, even if admittedly the litchi/eyeball scene really could not have been any more telling. But it also shows the father's helplessness somehow.

    As for the technical aspects, I have seen more by Ramsay and felt her style was very easy to identify. The home video looks are not uncommon for her, also that her films frequently look older than they actually are. Or also the use of fast-forward on some occasions. It is not the first time she includes time lapse. I am not sure how she does with chronology in other films, here it is really all over the place if we look at jumps in time and there is hardly any chronology in here. The scenes that take place after the massacre are easy to identify at least because of the red color on the house and on the car. This made it a bit easier, but it sure took me a while to get used to these constant jumps in time. It's alright though. The overall impact is not too negative on the movie. Maybe it is even better the way she did it from the storytelling perspective than if she went fully chronological and me saying this sure means something because in general I almost always prefer chronology. But it also maybe makes the film a better rewatch (I don't even know if you want to rewatch with how depressing it all is) because when you find out at the end about the dead two people at the house, it gives a whole new perspective to Eva's grief, even if she was about to get divorced already. And see things and scenes differently that were depicted before that in the film. I have not read the Lionel Shriver book this is based on, so I cannot say how chronology was handled there or if Ramsay just implemented it here (or the lack thereof) and also not make any other comparisons between book and movie. But certainly the way it turned out here, this is how you should adapt a book that people finally stop with the eternal nonsense criticism à la "The book is always better." What stays the most from this film (except Swinton's turn) are really all the ways in which the boy is depicted as evil. So it came as a bit of a surprise that towards the end, there is always a little bit of hope as we hear his last words that he is no longer sure his motivations were the right ones. And the following hug of course. Maybe a jail term can actually turn somebody into a better human again and not just protect society. At least in this case. Anyway, this glimmer of hope went so strongly against all the calculated viciousness from before that. Also if you take the fact that he commited the brutal crime just very briefly before his 16th anniversary that his prison sentence will not be too long and there is a specific mention of that approach from the mother and also that he took drugs before that in order to create doubts about his sane mind. The irony of saying "sane mind" with all he did sure is priceless. And even if this is a very dark movie, there are one or two occasions of pretty dark comedy too (no arrow collecting, Jehova's Witnesses). All in all, a big thumbs-up for this film. Very good, my favorite Ramsay. One of 2011's best.
  • This movie jumps around in time. Eva Khatchadourian (Tilda Swinton) is a hard-partying drifter in her youth. In the present, she lives a lonely haunted life with a hostile town around her. In between, she marries the permissive Franklin (John C. Reilly) and has a suburban life with two kids. Her first child is the troubled Kevin (Ezra Miller, Jasper Newell). She's not a happy mother and they struggle to get along. Then a troubling incident sends Kevin to prison.

    There is a lot of good acting in this. Tilda Swinton is good with her distancing. She shows that she's slightly troubled too. Ezra Miller is cold and scary. The movie doesn't go for the easy emotions. This is a haunted, cold and unsettling story. It's not a fun movie but it is a fascinating watch.
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    I saw this film at Telluride by the Sea (Portsmouth, NH) prior to its general release. This is not a film I would choose to see normally, based on its subject matter. However, as a festival-goer, this was what was offered for the late evening screening. This film is visually stunning, and masterfully composed. You know early-on that a Columbine-style ending is inevitable, nonetheless hope that some miracle may yet occur to avert this disaster. Swinton is absolutely magnificent (as always) as the mother desperately trying to cope with raising a psychopathic child, but equally impressive are the performances of the actors who portray the developmental stages of Kevin from early childhood to the brink of adulthood. What elevates this film is the visual and musical narrative that accompanies the initial time-skipping introduction and then the more linear progression of Kevin's growth to its final, terrible conclusion. Interestingly, the emotional crescendo of the film occurs not near the end when Kevin carries out his horrific violence, but rather in the middle of the film at moments when we observe the impossibility of living a "normal" family life with a child who is incapable of feeling or expressing the human emotions that bind us together.
  • Because children are normally associated with innocence, creepy children are a tried concept in horror films. See movies like "The innocents" (1961, Jack Clayton) (pay attention to the title) and "The omen" (1976, Richard Donner)

    Since the mass massacres on high schools in the United States, most notably in Littleton in 1999, creepy kids have made their entrance also in drama films and documentaries. Examples are "Elephant" (Gus van Sant, 2003) and "Bowling for Columbine" (2002, Michael Moore).

    "We need to talk about Kevin" is somewhere in between drama and horror. More interesting than the genre classification is probably the distinction between creepy children movies with the emphasis on the child on the hand and the emphasis on (one of) the parents on the other hand. Just like in "The innocents" (although in this film the parent is a nanny) the emphasis in "We need to talk about Kevin" is on one of the parents, to be more precise on the mother played by Tilda Swinton in a terrific role.

    During the upbringing of Kevin Tilda Swinton discovers more and more disturbing symptoms in her son. Because the father is absent most of the time he doesn't believe her (in the evening Kevin is really sweet). This state of affairs shows the tragedy of the mother. When it goes all right with Kevin she is crazy, when it goes out of hand she has been a bad mother.

    I already called attention to the great performance of Tilda Swinton. She is the drama element of the film. Ezra Miller, who plays Kevin as a teenager, is the horror element. With lips that are a little too red, he is sometimes however a little over the top.
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    Eva Khatchadourian was once a successful travel writer but now she lives in a tiny house; as she leaves we see the house and her car are daubed with red paint. Her neighbours ignore her and people she meets in the street abuse her both verbally and physically. It soon becomes apparent that her son, Kevin, has done something terrible. Through a series of flashbacks we see that he was always an awkward child… but only with her. Eva's husband, who we only see during these flashbacks, thinks Kevin is just 'being a boy'. There are suggestions that something is seriously wrong; the disappearance of a pet and an 'accident' which causes his sister to lose an eye but there is no proof that he was involved. The only time Kevin is seen to be nice to his mother is when he is ill as a child and she reads him the story of 'Robin Hood'; shortly afterwards his father buys him a toy bow and arrow; something that eventually leads to a proficiency in archery. Eventually we learn what Kevin has done and even though there were hints at what happened it is still disturbing.

    Movies are often described as 'Feel Good'; this is anything but that. It is disturbing from start to finish as we gradually learn what happened as well as seeing Eva's current life. Kevin was a disturbing child even when we see him as a baby; always crying when he is with his mother. As he grows he gets worse; defiant towards his mother; even refusing to be toilet trained till she does something drastic. Tilda Swinton does a fantastic job as Eva; one can almost feel her character's exhaustion and despair. Ezra Miller is also great as Kevin, one of the most monstrous young characters I can think of. Jasper Newell and Rocky Duer also impress playing Kevin as a youngster and an infant respectively. John C. Reilly is good as Kevin's father; a character it is easy to dislike as he can't see the wrong in his son… of course he isn't horrible in front of him. Young Ashley Gerasimovich is impressive as Celia, Kevin's younger, and much nicer, sister. Given the nature of the 'Terrible Event' there is surprisingly little violence; that doesn't been it isn't disturbing though… I felt uncomfortable through most of the film. Overall I'd recommend this to older viewers just don't expect to feel good when the final credits roll.
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    I can always appreciate when a movie or TV show gives us an entirely different perspective on a subject than we were accustomed to before. 'We Need to Talk About Kevin' centralizes a story about a mother dealing with the massacre her son has committed at his school. It's not often these tragedies make it to the big screen, but this one separates itself from the pack with a poignant performance from Tilda Swinton, as the mother to Ezra Miller's 'Kevin', a troubled boy who commits an unspeakable act. At the very least, this is a fascinating look into how a mother deals with the horrific things her son does while trying to balance her public presence in a town that despises her and family life, which isn't much better. An unsettled story like this is certainly difficult to direct, which is why Lynne Ramsay deserves a great amount of credit for grappling with the source material in a meaningful yet non-exploitative fashion.

    7.5/10.
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    This movie is so slow which would be forgivable if there was some character development. But there isn't. The mother is the same all the way through, from the birth of Kevin until the final scene. Kevin is the same and even though some sneakiness is hinted at it's never really developed.

    It seems like too much focus was put on arty shots and everything else was forgotten. For instance - why did she get to the school at night? It should have been daylight but I guess the emergency services lights wouldn't have looked nearly as good.

    Why didn't the police search her house and find her family? Isn't that standard in these types of situations?

    Considering the hype I've heard over the years for this movie I was extremely disappointed.
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    Touted as the "feel-good movie of the year" by those who are most sarcastic, "We Need to Talk About Kevin" could not be further from the truth.

    Golden-Globe-nominated Tilda Swinton, who should have been nominated for an Oscar for this performance over even Meryl Streep, plays Eva Khatchadourian, a woman who never quite connects with her son, who becomes increasingly unstable and savage as he grows older, resulting in a high-school killing spree.

    An absolutely disturbing film about the possible outcome of parental disconnect, "Kevin" is an incredibly honest and frightening look at a mother who tries to build a relationship with her son while knowing, deep down, there is really no feelings there at all. Swinton, with her facial expressions and perfect body language, is so incredibly affective and riveting as the desperate mother, both while Kevin is growing up and when we see her life after the massacre. I have difficulty finding the words to express the emotions that her performance stirs as you see how much she suffers while not understanding how a mother could give birth to a child she doesn't love.

    Kevin, played by three young actors who look so incredibly alike, it's almost creepy, is so compelling, whether played by a toddler named Rock Duer, a child named Jasper Newell or teenage Ezra Miller, the mere presence of any incarnation of him on screen will make your skin crawl.

    The film is so very affecting because most cannot imagine a situation such as this, yet the film is not supposed to be presented as a horror film. There is no supernatural evil at work here. I am sure this happens in real life, hopefully with not such a shocking and truly gruesome outcome. You watch in horror as the lack of emotion from the mother is frightening, yet when you see the actions of this child, you cannot help but have empathy for Eva, even though she almost comes across as unwillingly abusive at times. The film is set up in somewhat jarring flashbacks (which really should have received an Oscar nomination for editing) as you see a completely broken Eva dealing with the aftermath of her son's actions as she reflects on the upbringing of a child who grows into a person without feeling.

    No, "Kevin" is NOT the feel-good movie of the year. In fact, it is a difficult film to watch. You should not go see this film if wanting to leave the theatre with a smile on your face. However, as a character study, this film is one of the most affecting that I have seen in a long time, and if there is one actress who was robbed of an Oscar nomination, it is indeed Swinton, who is nothing short of brilliant.
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    We Need to Talk About Kevin is certainly a movie that will be every parent and would-be parent's worst nightmare. This movie gained a lot of praise at the Cannes Film Festival and attempts to explore the themes of society, parenting and psychology. Eva Khachaturian (Tilda Swinton) is a middle-aged mother hated by her community and struggling with the aftermath of a tragedy. Her sociopathic teenage son, Kevin (Ezra Miller), has committed a school massacre and she has to deal with the results of the sins of her child and explore how Kevin turned out this way in a dual narrative. After being unable to make her version of The Lovely Bones, Lynne Ramsey turned to adapting this Lionel Shriver novel instead. She delivers a haunting, slow-moving film that looks at the personal and social impact of the tragedy through one person's eyes as well looking at the struggles of raising a troubled child. Ramsey made sure there was a grim, somber tone and kept a minimalist view of the world, yet still adds her own visual flair with intense, slow close ups and red imagery throughout the film to symbolise blood on Eva's hands. There is a deliberately disjointed narrative throughout the movie, cutting from the present to the past as we examine Eva's inability to bond with her son. Ramsey took the bold step to avoid showing any of the actual massacre and most violence is committed off screen. We do not need to see it to understand its impact on people. Nor did we see Kevin's preparations for the massacre: We Need to Talk About Kevin is Eva's story, not Kevin's. But there is a major problem with Ramsay's approach to the story: she seems to ignore the entire concept of nature vs. nurture. Eva being portrayed as a bad mother is outweighed by the way Kevin is shown as practically the product of Satan's loins. Throughout the film, Kevin is always pushing his mother's buttons and made out to be evil from the day he is born. There is no subtlety in his portrayal, even with basic things like reaction shots. We Need to Talk About Kevin should have been more ambiguous, because the whole point of the film is to raise a debate. The audience is not meant to have a clear answer. Swinton's performance was highly praised and she is worthy of an Oscar nomination as her character Eva, who starts off both as a woman at a real low end and her struggles with a child she does not want. She is a disaster of a mum to Kevin as a young child, a child who tests her patience. Swinton was able to bring real depth to her character. When she does make the effort, the damage is already done. Throughout the movie, Swinton plays a tragic and lonely figure who is isolated in some form, a character who is a shell of her former self. Kevin is strongly played by two actors: Jasper Newell plays Kevin as a little brat, pushing his mother with his behaviour and playing Eva and his father (John C. Reilly) against each other. As a teenager, Erza Miller portrays Kevin with a sociopathic and nihilist outlook. He has a sharp mind, but enjoys inflicting pain on others, including his little sister (wonderfully played by the young Ashley Gerasimovich). He is a character who believes in nothing and takes a destructive path as a sinister air is always around him. Reilly plays Franklin as a normal suburban dad, someone who wants to do the right thing for his children. It was a wonderfully natural performance of a man who just sees Kevin's behaviour as being typically boyish. He is very deserving of a Best Supporting Actor nod for such a believable performance. There is a permanent, chilling sense throughout the film thanks Ramsay's low key direction and the power of the performance. This is a film that should stick in your head, but We Need to Talk About Kevin should not have been so clear-cut.
  • We have to talk about Kevin is a movie by Lynne Ramsay who has shown that he knows cinema and knows the language of cinema. This film is an abstract film and a unique tragedy of a woman on the verge of collapse. An attractive collage of color, light, pop music, red motifs and abstract images well created by the director. Although the film is weak in characterization, especially for the character of the father, but thanks to the good direction, the film is strong and interesting.

    Some friends say that the film asks the audience many questions and puts them in different situations, but it does not tell or give anything to the audience, and I reply that this is exactly pure cinema. The film raises important concepts that people should talk about, such as violence and its origin, unwanted pregnancy and its effects, inappropriate attachment patterns, the role of parents, the institution of the family and the role of society, attention, and more. The film also blends time well with its structural pattern and keeps the audience in time, present and past at the same time. At the end, the film raises this important question: How did kevin become a monster?
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    "There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn't true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true." - Soren Kierkegaard

    According to journalist Chris Hedges, "Those who cannot love are spiritually and emotionally dead. They affirm themselves through destruction, first of others, and then, finally, of themselves. Those incapable of love never live." This emotional deadness and inability to empathize with others is reflected in fifteen-year-old Kevin (Ezra Miller) in Lynne Ramsay's first film in nine years, We Need to Talk about Kevin, the chilling story of a sociopathic teenager who commits a horrendous crime (not explicitly shown), one for which his mother must endure the anger and resentment of the community.

    Based on a novel by Lionel Shriver and co-written by Ramsay and Rory Stewart Kinnear, We Need to Talk about Kevin builds a fractured narrative told from the point of view of Kevin's mother Eva Khatchadourian (Tilda Swinton), a former big-city dweller who loved to travel and write books until she became a mother. Unfolding as if in a fevered dream and told in a stream of flashbacks and flash forwards, a now depressed and solitary Eva looks back at key emotional tripping points along her son's destructive journey.

    At the outset, we are immersed in red, a frequent motif throughout the film. Here, we see a young Eva and other revelers bathed in a sea of tomatoes at a festival in Spain, which, in its orgy-like quality, is a hint of what is to come later. The scene then moves forward in time to a city intersection where the sound of a worker's drill creates a dissonant symphony with the unstoppable cries of Eva's infant son Kevin. Eva and her little boy (Rocky Duer, Jasper Newell) live in a well-to-do suburban house with husband Franklin (John C. Reilly) and little sister (Ashley Gerasimovich. These surroundings stand in sharp contrast to the box-like home in a run-down neighborhood where Eva is shown years later, a house spray-painted in red by outraged neighbors.

    By the age of six, young Kevin has already become a master manipulator, refusing to speak and still wearing diapers. His deviously destructive behavior is directed towards his mother and he is skillful in knowing how to use it for maximum psychological effect. Though Eva takes him to a doctor, he simply reassures her that there is nothing physically wrong with Kevin, only that he may need more time to mature. No reason is provided for Kevin's behavior, but it is clear that Eva resents being a mother and this is made real by her apathetic self-pity. She tells him, "Before you were born, Mommy used to be happy!" Now Mommy wakes up every day and wishes she were in France!" Her frustration erupts when she throws Kevin against the wall, breaking his arm for his refusal to be toilet trained, not the best way to make an emotional connection.

    She receives little support from her husband who refuses to believe that his son has severe emotional problems, but instead questions his wife's sanity. Instead of confronting the issues, Franklin ignores them, giving Kevin a toy bow-and-arrow set and later a high-powered bow, without any consideration of how they might be used. The father's lack of understanding prevents Kevin from being disciplined in the way that he should and there is no discussion of counseling with teachers or support groups, or professional therapy when it is obviously badly needed. Though the film's title is We Need to Talk about Kevin, apparently nobody thinks that that might be a good idea.

    After the violence is committed, Eva has to cope with the contempt of her neighbors. She gets a job with a travel agency but is verbally berated by a co-worker (Alex Manette) at a company Christmas party. In an episode bordering on the surreal, Eva drives through a menacing crowd of Halloween trick or treaters to the background of Buddy Holly singing "Every Day." Mundane events such as walking down the street or shopping at a supermarket become fraught with danger. When two religious missionaries come to her door, she uses the opportunity to turn on herself, telling them that there is no point in talking because "I'm going straight to hell. Eternal damnation, the whole thing."

    While We Need to Talk about Kevin is an engaging and often gripping film that offers outstanding performances by Swinton and Miller, it is torn between being an exploitative horror film and a psychological family drama and ends up not being very successful at either. Marred by its inability to decide whether to blame ineffective parenting for Kevin's behavior or to blame the fact that he was just born "evil," the film takes no stand at all, apparently throwing up its hands and saying, sometimes "bad" things happen for no reason, a dubious premise.

    While some may see the film as wisely left open to interpretation, the fact is that there is little to go on in drawing any conclusion. Ramsay never really probes either side of the question, surfboarding over the waves and not dealing authentically with character motivation or development. Though, to its credit, the film displays an unanticipated forgiveness towards Eva by a school victim confined to a wheelchair, in its totality, We Need to Talk about Kevin is more of a display of rage, hatred, and victimization than an attempt to provide new insight or have us see the characters as flawed human beings rather than as spawns of Satan.
  • After watching this film twice in two days I can honestly say it is among the most affecting and gripping movies I have ever seen. The use of sound and the wonderful camera work made my hair stand on end. I enjoyed it even more the second time as I was able to make sense of the opening scenes without straining myself, this however is not a criticism; rather it is a testament to the intellect and emotional power of a film where every member of cast and crew excel themselves. Sadness, joy, pain, nostalgia, elation and confusion are just a fraction of the feelings this roller-coaster provokes, and the audience's sheer awe was summed up by the 10 seconds of breathless silence as the screen faded into credits before an eruption of applause broke out.......Astounding.
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    ...or much insight.

    Even the title's completely misleading as clearly the 2 parents never got round to really talking about Kevin, or more to the point, talking to Kevin?

    When this movie eventually allows the mother to ask her 'troubled' son the question we were all asking and wanting to know the answer to, the kid's reply was well empty of any rhyme or reason. Just to add insult to the injury of 100 minutes of tedium, the mother walks out of the darkness of the prison into bright sunshine, inferring that all has been revealed to her??

    As to whether you want to believe (or comprehend) that he's undertaken his killing spree with a bow and set of arrows or that he's killed both his father and sister in the garden with arrows - well it's difficult trying to imagine anybody standing still as an arrow is fired at them?!

    This movie could have given so much more insight into the reasons why disaffected youth do what they do or championed the case for greater gun control to avoid the next Columbine High. I suspect the subtle argument that's being woven here is that bows and arrows can inflict the same carnage as guns and rifles? Well no - they can't and don't.

    Next Time - Hollywood?
  • Warning: Spoilers
    'We need to talk about Kevin' is a tale of guilt, grief and shame of a mother (Tilda Swinton) whose son Kevin (Rock Duer, Jasper Newell and Ezra Miller) has committed an atrocious massacre at his school. Based on the acclaimed novel by Lionel Shriver (2003) and directed by Lyne Ramsey who has been missing from the movie horizon of recent years, a powerful and excellently constructed piece of cinema is upon us.

    The storey encompasses the mothers' outlook on life before, during and after the event. The use of a non-linear time frame allows the film to be constructed in such a way that to those unfamiliar with the original text will be led in one direction of thought as to the characters progression only for the film to turn on its heels and lead you in another direction.

    The casting and acting is of paramount importance in a film where the primary relationship between two characters forms the basis of context for the others. Swinton offers an excellent drawn out, confused, guilt ridden mother whereas Ezra Miller as Kevin gives us an unflinching look into the abyss of a sociopath.

    The casting of as the father John C. Reilly for me was the only flaw, simply due to his recognisable and somewhat comical appearance, which when compared to the subtlety and non-obtrusive nature of the remaining cast and extras stands out although his performance was strong.

    Ramsey's use of symbolism and carefully inserted mise en scene gives those with a more discerning eye glimpses of the details of the emotional frailties evident in the novel but which are often so hard to convert when any literary text makes the transformation into the medium of film, we all know the saying 'the book was much better'. But here the both Lynne Ramsey and Roy Kinnear develop an excellent screen play that will satisfy both those who have read the book and those who have yet to. The sequencing of opening shots in most scenes allows a strong sense of atmosphere to develop even before the characters have entered the scene or dialogue has even commenced.

    The overall impact of the film rides through peaks and troughs. With some sections brilliantly gripping and others making you wish away the remainder of the film. In general the film does carry a strong and unsettling momentum until the final credits. For those looking for an action soaked gore fest will be left waiting as will those looking for the docudrama styled film similar to Gus Van Sants' Elephant (2003). The film won't be for all or maybe even for that many, but those who enjoy carefully layered cinema creations will be drawn to this title like a moth to a flame and with good reason.
  • proud_luddite24 December 2020
    Tilda Swinton plays the mother of a very troubled teenage son who commits a terrible act. The film shows her current story while also showing the life of her son in flashback beginning with his infancy when he was always a problem child despite his parents' best efforts.

    Director Lynne Ramsay is successful in using many interesting techniques in storytelling especially when time changes take place. The trouble is the story itself. It is certainly not flawed; it's just very difficult and uncomfortable. These stories are certainly worthy of being told but if there is little or no redeeming value or understanding by the end, it's difficult to believe the discomfort was worth the trouble - especially in some early scenes when someone is wrongly persecuted for being made guilty by association. - dbamateurcritic
  • Muqbilm20 January 2012
    IMPORTANT: i really wish that you read this before reading the IMDb synopsis!!

    ALAS, the IMDb synopsis ruined the movie for me. i read it and i knew what is gonna happen in the first 10 minutes whereas it is revealed half an hour before the movie ends.

    i thought this is going to be another movie dealing with the same subject as the rabbit hole or the son's room. but it turned out to be a really different movie dealing with different subject.

    while watching it, there were echoes of the omen and another movie that you will know once you watch " We need to talk about Kevin" .

    it's a brilliant movie yet shocking and bleak. i loved the script and the directing. the acting was superb especially Tilda Swinton who seems capable of mastering the strong and deep emotions.

    the surprise was the acting of the young Kevin- Jasper Newell- and it's really surprising that he had not been nominated for anything for his performance that leads the way to what's going on in the movie.

    it is a great movie and you should see it. one warning, chose the right time and mood to watch it.
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    I thought I was going to be watching an Omen type typical horror movie. Couldn't really tell from the wardrobe and the way cars and things looked what year it was...looked like it took place in the 90's since no one had a smart phone at any point.

    Anyway.... I digress.... LOL. Overall I found the movie entertaining. Some questions weren't answered. The pacing had me super anxious for the story to unfold...what the hell was up with Kevin??? What did he do? The soundtrack was unsettling to a little annoying. There were no jump scares or horror movie music hat tricks that let you sense what's about to happen or take note of something. Aside from random folk songs here and there the movie is utterly quiet.

    OK...so spoiler time.

    At some point in the film i'm like okay... When TF are they going to have the "we need to talk about Kevin" conversation???? And then I laughed to myself,.....and thought..."ah-ha! Never happened" therein lying a huge part of the problem.

    One reviewer wrote, that he thought it was stupid because no child is born evil, and no parent would have handled a child who behaved this way so poorly. I beg to differ and offer examples such as Jeffrey Dahlmer, who was quoted as saying, "I had a normal loving childhood, my parents are not to be blamed for what I have done.... I am just evil." And don't even get me started on what could lead a child to execute any number of the mass school shootings that seem to occur monthly here in the United States. A child, aside from being exceptionally smart, can be atypically cold, unsympathetic, calculating and cruel but the question is why?

    There was definitely some serious and obscure hard to pin point problems with Kevin. He wasn't autistic, but it was something not to far off like maybe Asberger's Syndrome. His mental problem apple didn't fall far from its tree. When this movie ended I turned around and watched it again looking a bit closer for the answer to my unanswered questions.

    Quite frankly, there is such a thing as poor parenting due to lack of experience, common sense, priorities, coping skills, selfishness and denial. Newsflash... just because a person is capable of producing a child doesn't necessarily mean they should given certain circumstances. It was clear that the mother was not thrilled with this pregnancy. They say normally a pregnant woman glows, it is an amazing experience yada yada yada, but this clearly wasn't Mommer's experience. The birthing experience didn't seem to go well at all, and immediately after Kevin's born, she appears to be suffering from postpartum depression which develops in a lot of women after child birth.

    It seems while Kevin was a very tiny baby and small child Mommer didn't cope well with or ever bond with Kevin. In Kevin's defense, a baby can't have a personal vendetta against someone.....or could he???? LOL.

    Honestly after rewatching this movie looking at it again I noticed maternal anti-social personality traits in the mother. Mommer was definitely off a little herself as far as having the same traits that Kevin exhibited which were lack of emotion and sympathy, also she herself was also reluctant to communicate. No normal person could have dealt with the aftermath the way she did. Mommer completely failed Kevin as there was at no point any outreach for help, therapy or intervention of any kind. She had the money, which meant she could have easily obtained those resources for Kevin.

    Mommer and Kevin both seemed to resent each other but it seemed to me she began to resent him starting from when he was an unborn fetus. Maybe those feelings of resentment during Kevin's early life stage as an unborn child played a huge and detrimental part in Keven's early childhood development. Maybe that's when those seeds were planted before he was born. Maybe his behavior was a little payback for never feeling loved.

    Kevin at an early age was very intelligent and calculating having the upper hand on Mommer. No parent should let a child assume the role of telling the parent what to do and the parent be looking to the child for direction and approval. That routine proved to be a huge disservice to Kevin and everyone else in the wake of his final epic act of detachment. I think there are a lot of little "Kevins" brewing in today's society from a combination of any number of anti-social personality disorders be it from poor genetics, subjectively poor environment or poor parenting skills.

    The only thing I didn't quite get was why the community with the exception of one wheelchair bound kid from the neighborhood had no sympathy for Mommer in the the aftermath. The story wasn't developed enough to know why they felt she was directly responsible for Kevin's actions aside from giving him the opportunity to be born. I mean hay, I would assume that any kid that does what Kevin enacted was somehow failed by his parents, but I don't know, maybe people would react this way?

    Maybe that's something we could never know unless we found ourselves being in a perfect storm situation like Mommer. No one really knows what it's like for the parents of these kids who have committed these types of atrocities after the 10 o'clock news has moved on to the next big story. These people may still have to live in their homes, go to their jobs, deal with looks, whispers, assumptions and accusations from their neighbors and locals in the community who haven't so quickly forgotten. Especially survivors, friends and relatives of the recently dearly departed victims.

    Anyway....this was definitely a march to the beat of a different drummer type film in a lot of ways, but it was an interesting piece of entertainment.
  • It's super rare that I actually genuinely hate a movie. I was so bored through this entire thing, and once it ended, I realized it never felt like it actually started. It felt unfinished and unpolished. I had to sit there and make sure I didn't just dissociate through the entire thing. The choice in casting was amazing, the cinematography was incredible, but the writing and storyline were so boring. It felt like I was just watching a woman suffer for no reason. She needs some milk! And therapy. Please, god.
  • Loved this gripping film. Unfortunately for me, I could really relate to it. Like Eva, I am also a mother of a troubled son, who for some reason I think was just born 'difficult' and 'self-destructive'. Its very hard to parent such a child so I could very much empathize with Eva's situation. Unfortunately society does not help in assisting parents with difficult children and most of the time they accuse you of overreacting. Let this film be a lesson to all allied health care workers, in that a parent does not just imagine things! I would give the film 9 out of 10. I really found Franklin to be irritating - some men tend to live in denial. Eva in a way was a martyr in that she should have been more firmer on Kevin, she was far too ambivalent in her parenting style and Kevin knew from an early age that he could get away with things.
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