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Well, there's not much to say for Echo, so I'll keep this short.
Echo in a word is... well boring! It's not terrible as the show starts interesting enough, but like Secret Invasion, it falls apart in the end.
The show had some good cinematography and I guess good cgi when compared to recent Marvel projects. Maya is well written and is played fantastically by Alaqua Cox. Seeing Daredevil was great in his like two minute cameo, and Kingpin is great too.
But where this show falls apart is in its storytelling and writing. Nothing really happens in this show, and it leads to nothing. With an ending that just left me thinking, "ok."
My expectations were never high to begin with, but d*mn this could have been far better. I honestly didn't even know this show was released this week until I saw an advertisement for it on my TV.
One last thing who the hell told Disney this was TV-MA material there were like maybe two or three things max that made me think TV-MA and even then that was just pushing TV-14. If this is what Disney thinks passes for MA, then d*mn I'm scared for Deadpools 3 R rating.
Oh well, until the next Marvel flop.
IMDb: 5/10 Letterboxd: 3/5
Watched on Disney+ in 4k Dolby Vision.
Echo in a word is... well boring! It's not terrible as the show starts interesting enough, but like Secret Invasion, it falls apart in the end.
The show had some good cinematography and I guess good cgi when compared to recent Marvel projects. Maya is well written and is played fantastically by Alaqua Cox. Seeing Daredevil was great in his like two minute cameo, and Kingpin is great too.
But where this show falls apart is in its storytelling and writing. Nothing really happens in this show, and it leads to nothing. With an ending that just left me thinking, "ok."
My expectations were never high to begin with, but d*mn this could have been far better. I honestly didn't even know this show was released this week until I saw an advertisement for it on my TV.
One last thing who the hell told Disney this was TV-MA material there were like maybe two or three things max that made me think TV-MA and even then that was just pushing TV-14. If this is what Disney thinks passes for MA, then d*mn I'm scared for Deadpools 3 R rating.
Oh well, until the next Marvel flop.
IMDb: 5/10 Letterboxd: 3/5
Watched on Disney+ in 4k Dolby Vision.
Uninteresting. Unexciting. Unneeded.
I've long backed Marvel in most of its decisions, but this one really confuses me. After Hawkeye, I gave the character no thought what so ever. She was merely a just there to advance the Kate Bishop story. Just not sure there was a real audience for this one.
My wife and i almost quit watching after episode one. We made it through episode 2. Not sure we will make it through the final three.
I have to say, it's very disappointing. I thought Disney had started to turn things around a bit with Loki season 2 and Percy Jackson. The story telling seemed to be taking an upturn. But then this ... My faith is waning.
I've long backed Marvel in most of its decisions, but this one really confuses me. After Hawkeye, I gave the character no thought what so ever. She was merely a just there to advance the Kate Bishop story. Just not sure there was a real audience for this one.
My wife and i almost quit watching after episode one. We made it through episode 2. Not sure we will make it through the final three.
I have to say, it's very disappointing. I thought Disney had started to turn things around a bit with Loki season 2 and Percy Jackson. The story telling seemed to be taking an upturn. But then this ... My faith is waning.
- thekid-06406
- Jan 16, 2024
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Bad pacing, few action scenes, and a protagonist with virtually no arc makes for a very lackluster show. Kingpin still steals every scene he is in and is truly intimidating, and while the first episode shows promise, kingpin remains the only good thing for the remaining 4 episodes as nothing truly happens of any consequence or interest. This show is essentially just set up for daredevil born again. Maya/echo takes no responsibility for her actions in this show. She says that she and her cousin grew apart even though maya chose to ignore her cousin, and then 10 minutes later blames her uncle for not reaching out, even though it was established that she was ignoring everyone who reached out to her a few scenes before. It was almost as if the writers made echo a do no wrong character despite the fact that that made echo a hypocrite, because there were no true heroic qualities to the character. She was a promising character in hawkeye, and alquia cox is a good actress, but in her own show, her performance was rather lackluster with the exception of a few scenes that were admittedly done very well. I had a lot of hope for this show, and unfortunately it was just ok. Hopefully daredevil born again will be better, because the netflix show of daredevil is amazing.
Marvel's trajectory in the realm of superhero entertainment has been on a discernible decline, and "Echo" serves as the final nail in the coffin for my interest in their offerings. The show, which attempts to inject vitality into a waning narrative landscape, falls remarkably short of the mark. The utilization of a character like Kingpin, portrayed by Vincent D'Onofrio, is a prime example of this shortfall. Instead of enhancing the show, this move undermines D'Onofrio's previously lauded performances and diminishes the character's legacy.
The overarching narrative of "Echo" is emblematic of the issues plaguing recent Marvel productions. There's a palpable lack of originality and depth, which results in a viewing experience that is both uninspiring and tedious. The show's reliance on established, well-regarded characters to salvage its storyline only highlights its inherent weaknesses. This strategy, rather than adding substance, feels like a desperate attempt to draw in viewers through nostalgia and familiarity.
Furthermore, "Echo" struggles significantly with narrative coherence and character development. These fundamental aspects, which are crucial for engaging storytelling, are noticeably absent, leading to a disjointed and unsatisfactory viewing experience. The show's failure to effectively leverage its source material, combined with a lack of innovative storytelling, exemplifies the creative rut that Marvel seems to be stuck in.
In summary, "Echo" not only fails to live up to the standards set by earlier Marvel productions but also exacerbates the growing sense of disillusionment with their recent endeavors. The show's inability to stand independently, relying instead on the reputation of established characters, is a clear indicator of Marvel's current creative stagnation. For me, this represents a turning point, solidifying my decision to disengage from Marvel's future superhero projects.
The overarching narrative of "Echo" is emblematic of the issues plaguing recent Marvel productions. There's a palpable lack of originality and depth, which results in a viewing experience that is both uninspiring and tedious. The show's reliance on established, well-regarded characters to salvage its storyline only highlights its inherent weaknesses. This strategy, rather than adding substance, feels like a desperate attempt to draw in viewers through nostalgia and familiarity.
Furthermore, "Echo" struggles significantly with narrative coherence and character development. These fundamental aspects, which are crucial for engaging storytelling, are noticeably absent, leading to a disjointed and unsatisfactory viewing experience. The show's failure to effectively leverage its source material, combined with a lack of innovative storytelling, exemplifies the creative rut that Marvel seems to be stuck in.
In summary, "Echo" not only fails to live up to the standards set by earlier Marvel productions but also exacerbates the growing sense of disillusionment with their recent endeavors. The show's inability to stand independently, relying instead on the reputation of established characters, is a clear indicator of Marvel's current creative stagnation. For me, this represents a turning point, solidifying my decision to disengage from Marvel's future superhero projects.
- ccosgrave-79087
- Jan 20, 2024
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Can't even lie I only watched this for Kingpin, as I really wasn't feeling the Echo character from the Hawkeye series. By the time I finished this series, I finally ended up understanding who/what this character was all about. Is Maya a hero? Because she seemed like a bad person most of the time! With that being said. Wow. This series was very choppy. Advertised as a 5 Episode mini series, Echo easily could've been a 2 hr movie. The fighting sequences were okay. Overall it was nice to see some grit in the MCU, just wish the story was a little more deeper than what we got. Although I really appreciate the native culture that was presented in this series. It's worth a watch.
- Mehki_Girl
- Jan 20, 2024
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The trailers made this seem like the first step into more gritty, adult content ala Netflix's Daredevil and Punisher series, but apart from 1 or 2 overally choreographed scenes it felt more like the worst episode of Iron Fist stretched into 5 episodes.
The concept itself isn't bad, but the writing was atrocious, with no real sense of character development or depth whatsoever. The only real standout being Vincent D'Onofrio's excellent portrayal of Kingpin, but even that is tarnished by the writing and a limp wiltering flower of an ending.
Echo also suffered from bad editing with the pacing and storyline feeling like they were all over the place.
The show had so much promise and I did appreciate the efforts made to honour the native American and deaf communities, but it didn't have to be at the expense of a coherent and gripping story.
I now fear what they're going to do with Daredevil, but hopefully with Dario Scardapane in the driver's seat there may be at least a small glimmer of light at the end of the tunnel. Maybe...
The concept itself isn't bad, but the writing was atrocious, with no real sense of character development or depth whatsoever. The only real standout being Vincent D'Onofrio's excellent portrayal of Kingpin, but even that is tarnished by the writing and a limp wiltering flower of an ending.
Echo also suffered from bad editing with the pacing and storyline feeling like they were all over the place.
The show had so much promise and I did appreciate the efforts made to honour the native American and deaf communities, but it didn't have to be at the expense of a coherent and gripping story.
I now fear what they're going to do with Daredevil, but hopefully with Dario Scardapane in the driver's seat there may be at least a small glimmer of light at the end of the tunnel. Maybe...
- danwilberforce
- Jan 9, 2024
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Most of the negative reviews here are from folks who hate reading subtitles and need a fight scene every two minutes to stay interested. This is a fantastic story about family. The authentic inclusion of both deaf and indigenous characters was fascinating. But the collaboration with the Choctaw Nation to represent their creation story as well as other indigenous storytelling is what really makes this show shine. It's not a typical MCU superhero story. It's not supposed to be. Enjoy it for what it is: a journey of a woman reconnecting with her family and with her culture. Those stories are worth telling, too!
The series feels like it was supposed to be 10 episodes but they edited it for 5. Character development is minimal to none. Kingpin supposedly adopts Echo when she was very young and her parents died, but this is not really shown. Would have been a great place to start and to build up their relationship. Instead we are just told they are close and deal with it. It was jarring.
Native American spirituality and mysticism are often shown in flashbacks, not always for obvious reasons. There is some connection between the flashbacks and the nature of Echos healing power,but it is not clearly illustratred and not sold properly. Again, the scenes are jarring. By he way the comic book power she has is the ability to copy anyones fighting style. We never see this in the show.
The comic book character is deaf, and so is the actress. This was interesting and was great to see. Good to see actress play a major part. And she gives it all she has. However, the lack of hearing is used as a gimmick when fighting, as often sound is totally turned off. To show she is deaf. The problem though is that it makes the scenes boring. Sound is really important for immersion, They missed the boat somewhere here.
Echo, the star, as a character, is not likeable. Redeeming qualities are few and far between. She takes to killing like flies to dog poop. No remorse at all. Is selfish, does not care who pays for her actions. Wants to replace KingPin.
Hawkeye is shown briefly fighting her, probably to help market the show. So is Daredevil. They both fight her to a standstill, with Hawkeye coming closer to killing her. The encounters do nothing to develop her character though. They are used as simple plot devices to get to the next act. Feels empty.
She is supposed to be an anti hero? Vigilante? No. Just another criminal who is talented at killing and stealing. Her ambitions overcome any feelings of love for her sister and friends.
If you want to watch as required viewing to prepare for future marvel movies, all you need is episode 1 and 5. All else is filler.
Native American spirituality and mysticism are often shown in flashbacks, not always for obvious reasons. There is some connection between the flashbacks and the nature of Echos healing power,but it is not clearly illustratred and not sold properly. Again, the scenes are jarring. By he way the comic book power she has is the ability to copy anyones fighting style. We never see this in the show.
The comic book character is deaf, and so is the actress. This was interesting and was great to see. Good to see actress play a major part. And she gives it all she has. However, the lack of hearing is used as a gimmick when fighting, as often sound is totally turned off. To show she is deaf. The problem though is that it makes the scenes boring. Sound is really important for immersion, They missed the boat somewhere here.
Echo, the star, as a character, is not likeable. Redeeming qualities are few and far between. She takes to killing like flies to dog poop. No remorse at all. Is selfish, does not care who pays for her actions. Wants to replace KingPin.
Hawkeye is shown briefly fighting her, probably to help market the show. So is Daredevil. They both fight her to a standstill, with Hawkeye coming closer to killing her. The encounters do nothing to develop her character though. They are used as simple plot devices to get to the next act. Feels empty.
She is supposed to be an anti hero? Vigilante? No. Just another criminal who is talented at killing and stealing. Her ambitions overcome any feelings of love for her sister and friends.
If you want to watch as required viewing to prepare for future marvel movies, all you need is episode 1 and 5. All else is filler.
- tony-146-695626
- Jan 15, 2024
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I REALLY enjoyed this series! Seeing and hearing authentic (original) American voices & stories is something to be valued. The music is terrific, and really speaks to the heart. While I'm not of Native American ancestry myself, the full participation of The Choctaw Nation in the making of this series radiates authenticity at every turn. The lead, Alaqua Cox, has definite presence. The show also features many other talented actors that I'd love to see more of. Unfortunately, because it's not a Lily-white depiction of "Fanboy Action Heroes", it has been slammed by many. That's a shame. I applaud Marvel for giving us something other than blond-haired, blue-eyed "heroes". There's room for many in the American Diaspora...
- google-soc
- Jan 17, 2024
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Echo overall landed on a 7.5/10, don't let these other biast reviews written by trolls affect the show for you, watch it and form your own opinion. I gave individual episodes an average of 8/10 but overall it needed more episodes and I was expecting more grittiness, though the ending was a good conclusion with solid execution compared to the usual messy endings of other mcu shows bar loki. The show did have the opportunity to be something much better though.. Overall I think the people who worked on it did ffing amazing but marvel giving them only 5 eps to work with is disappointing and 5 episodes just didn't feel satisfactory enough. The cinematography and editing is a step up from usual shows within the mcu, it gets pretty creative at times and the supernatural elements shown throughout are a good surprise. Every introduction scene to an episode is so cool and exciting. The vibe felt more mature and less silly whilst still offering some fun moments between charcaters. Acting is great, Alaqua Cox does superb as her echo charcater, Vincent as kingpin is perfection. The chemistry between these 2 charcaters is so well done, the dialogue is well written which creates interesting tension and some great similarities between the two charcaters. What we see of Daredevil is an absolute treat but I think people may also use his short presence in the show as a negative which is unfair. People saying the fighting felt floaty and slow, I don't see that, I do think people are just searching for negatives. Could this show have been a movie with a higher budget, probably, is it better as a show, I'm not sure but it's a fun watch with great moments. It's tv-ma, feels mature, has solid writing, it's nothing special but it's a step in the right direction and it's worth watching!
- robert-19838
- Jan 9, 2024
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Although I'm not sure if I'd say it's good, Marvel Studios' Echo was a huge surprise! I really disliked the character of Maya when she appeared in Marvel Studios' Hawkeye back in 2021, so when it was announced she'd get her own spinoff series, I was very much *not* excited. But, it surpassed my expectations!
For the most part, it's a solid series with good characters, great action and an alright story. My biggest problems, though, stem from the inconsistent tone (sometimes it wanted to be very serious like Marvel's Daredevil, and at other points it wanted to be way more dramatic and exciting like other MCU shows), the meh script, the predictability of the story, the bad finale and the messy pacing throughout.
It's definitely way better than I thought it would be, though! Maya went from being a character I hated to being one that I actually quite like, Vincent D'Onofrio was fantastic as Kingpin, and it was great to see Charlie Cox back in the red and black Daredevil suit!
It's worth a watch if you were a fan of the Netflix Daredevil series because it's one of the best things to come from the MCU in a couple years!
For the most part, it's a solid series with good characters, great action and an alright story. My biggest problems, though, stem from the inconsistent tone (sometimes it wanted to be very serious like Marvel's Daredevil, and at other points it wanted to be way more dramatic and exciting like other MCU shows), the meh script, the predictability of the story, the bad finale and the messy pacing throughout.
It's definitely way better than I thought it would be, though! Maya went from being a character I hated to being one that I actually quite like, Vincent D'Onofrio was fantastic as Kingpin, and it was great to see Charlie Cox back in the red and black Daredevil suit!
It's worth a watch if you were a fan of the Netflix Daredevil series because it's one of the best things to come from the MCU in a couple years!
- SHU_Movies
- Jan 9, 2024
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So marvel fans have been wanting a darker marvel show and movies, this to me looked like Marvel dipping their toe into the R rated waters, it was decent but not fully committing was definitely a hindrance on the show.
The story is of Maya, sent away from her family at a young age, dealing with grief she finds a way through Fisk to project her anger and talents to something more "useful". She must venture home after discovering secrets, trying to stay to herself she manages to bring trouble back home, will her connection to her ancestors and her fighting talent be enough to keep her going?
So firstly this to me is a god sign marvel have taken the step to this sort of show, it's definitely better then 3 or 4 of their other Disney shows without a shadow of a doubt. The acting is great, Maya is an intriguing character and I enjoyed her family a lot, specially her grandparents I like a lot. Fisk of course I'm so happy to see him back, we get glimpses of his brutality but again nothing like in Daredevil.
I think it's a Disney + thing because in my opinion majority (not all) by 90% of their shows just don't have a good enough storyline or compelling arc to hit the 8/10 or 9/10 types show. With 30 minute run time and a sole character focus it can be hard to deliver a meaningful journey. Comparing it to DD on Netflix you had multiple stories all compelling and linked and a longer run time, that's majorly lacking on Disney and it feels flat at times.
The action is good, again the way it was advertised I was expecting close to Netflix levels, it's not but much better than what we had been getting the past while, one or two good episodes the rest fine, weak finale honestly BUT it has me hopeful for the Dare Devil show, overall a decent watch and the Native American storyline is quite good too. 7/10.
The story is of Maya, sent away from her family at a young age, dealing with grief she finds a way through Fisk to project her anger and talents to something more "useful". She must venture home after discovering secrets, trying to stay to herself she manages to bring trouble back home, will her connection to her ancestors and her fighting talent be enough to keep her going?
So firstly this to me is a god sign marvel have taken the step to this sort of show, it's definitely better then 3 or 4 of their other Disney shows without a shadow of a doubt. The acting is great, Maya is an intriguing character and I enjoyed her family a lot, specially her grandparents I like a lot. Fisk of course I'm so happy to see him back, we get glimpses of his brutality but again nothing like in Daredevil.
I think it's a Disney + thing because in my opinion majority (not all) by 90% of their shows just don't have a good enough storyline or compelling arc to hit the 8/10 or 9/10 types show. With 30 minute run time and a sole character focus it can be hard to deliver a meaningful journey. Comparing it to DD on Netflix you had multiple stories all compelling and linked and a longer run time, that's majorly lacking on Disney and it feels flat at times.
The action is good, again the way it was advertised I was expecting close to Netflix levels, it's not but much better than what we had been getting the past while, one or two good episodes the rest fine, weak finale honestly BUT it has me hopeful for the Dare Devil show, overall a decent watch and the Native American storyline is quite good too. 7/10.
- eoinageary
- Jan 9, 2024
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So apparently they shot 8 episodes but then it wasn't good enough and it got rewritten/reshot/redited down to just 5. Maybe that's why none of it makes much sense. The family connections don't make sense. The lack of communication with her cousin, uncle etc don't make much sense. How her mother's death was her father's fault wasn't made clear. The relationships in the community make no sense. The end showdown is totally incomprehensible. The only things that almost work are the scenes in the roller rink. Really disappointing when I was so hoping for great things based on how Echo was introduced and how well I thought HawkEye worked as a series with multiple interactions between characters from different parts of the MCU. Heartbreaking, to be honest. It promised to be a great showcase for indigenous culture too, but I learnt nothing. There was so much that needed to be said and done for it to really work. Either that or they could've had more action, at least? It just wasn't gripping dramatically or emotionally engaging enough, and it just felt like it had a plan that somehow went vastly wrong and they gave up and threw it out at us poorly poorly finished. Such a shame as some of the actors really deserved to be better respected for their talent.
Echo does not deserve a 6.2 out of 10 it is so much better than that. The show follows the character of Maya that we first meet during Hawkeye season one the writers do a fantastic job of giving Maya a fantastic story and a good character arc. Vincent D'Onofrio's Kingpin as always is a highlight in everything he is in where he plays the character. This show also has a number of likable side characters which give the show a surprising amount of heart if I had to critique it a little bit it still feels like marvel is holding back on the violence, and the R rating was not used to its fullest potential. However, this is still overall a pretty good watch that leaves you wondering what is going to happen next.
Final rating:8.4 out of 10.
Final rating:8.4 out of 10.
This series is not by any means the best that television has to offer and I would rate it a solid 7.5/10.
That being said I don't agree with people saying it felt boring. It does have pacing issues and the main reason is the editing. The editing is sometimes really poorly done. Not saying that I can do it better, but still very weird editing decisions sometimes.
The acting was solid throughout the series with the obvious standout being Vincent D'Onofrio. He does a great job playing Fisk in Daredevil and does it again in Echo. Fisk has less screen time than in Daredevil, but still manages to be intimidating and captivating in every scene he is in.
The plot is solid. Not a masterpiece and can feel like a pretty basic marvel story. Still it managed to keep me engaged enough to make me binge watch the series. The biggest complaint that I have with the series is it's kinda dumb ending that unfortunately feels rushed and unresolved.
In conclusion the series is a solid series by Marvel. I enjoyed it and I think many people will enjoy it too. There are issues like it's pacing and the abrupt ending, but to be fair to the series the ending does give me hope that maybe we will see more series like this from marvel. In my opinion this is Definitely the best we have seen from Marvel lately. Loki was good :).
That being said I don't agree with people saying it felt boring. It does have pacing issues and the main reason is the editing. The editing is sometimes really poorly done. Not saying that I can do it better, but still very weird editing decisions sometimes.
The acting was solid throughout the series with the obvious standout being Vincent D'Onofrio. He does a great job playing Fisk in Daredevil and does it again in Echo. Fisk has less screen time than in Daredevil, but still manages to be intimidating and captivating in every scene he is in.
The plot is solid. Not a masterpiece and can feel like a pretty basic marvel story. Still it managed to keep me engaged enough to make me binge watch the series. The biggest complaint that I have with the series is it's kinda dumb ending that unfortunately feels rushed and unresolved.
In conclusion the series is a solid series by Marvel. I enjoyed it and I think many people will enjoy it too. There are issues like it's pacing and the abrupt ending, but to be fair to the series the ending does give me hope that maybe we will see more series like this from marvel. In my opinion this is Definitely the best we have seen from Marvel lately. Loki was good :).
- nicokautto
- Jan 9, 2024
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I really wanted to like this show. The trailer had many of us, including myself excited to see what looked like a return to the serious, quality content we received from the Netflix/Marvel shows. Some people criticize the amount of representation in the show (which I get, seeing they focused more on that than the writing), but where this show falls completely flat is the abysmal storytelling.
Normally I try to think of ways a show could be better. I have nothing on this one. The story and the script were just bad. The actors were not bad, but they can only perform with what they were given. Maya was unlikable, Kingpin played like a jealous, controlling ex boyfriend instead of the crime boss we know him to be. The ending was probably the worst I've seen in a long time, if not ever (granted, I didn't finish She-Hulk).
The advertising hyped this show up so much. All the "violence" and action happened in the first 20 minutes of the first episode. The rest was a drag.
Marvel boss Kevin Feige said at one point that this show was unreleasable. He should've stuck with that decision.
Normally I try to think of ways a show could be better. I have nothing on this one. The story and the script were just bad. The actors were not bad, but they can only perform with what they were given. Maya was unlikable, Kingpin played like a jealous, controlling ex boyfriend instead of the crime boss we know him to be. The ending was probably the worst I've seen in a long time, if not ever (granted, I didn't finish She-Hulk).
The advertising hyped this show up so much. All the "violence" and action happened in the first 20 minutes of the first episode. The rest was a drag.
Marvel boss Kevin Feige said at one point that this show was unreleasable. He should've stuck with that decision.
- yahschild-48227
- Jan 13, 2024
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Echo is very different than what we've come to expect from Marvel, but to me this is a step in the right direction. Alaqua Cox is exceptional in this role, and how it weaves the spirituality of the Choctaw Nation into this character and her redemption arc is beautiful.
I only wish it was more than 5 episodes. I thought the character development on the rest of cast made you actually care about them and their place in the story. It was refreshing to not need to know the backstory of a dozen super heroes to make this show relevant. If you didn't see Daredevil, or any of the Netflix Marvel shows, you'd still be able to follow this story without feeling lost.
I only wish it was more than 5 episodes. I thought the character development on the rest of cast made you actually care about them and their place in the story. It was refreshing to not need to know the backstory of a dozen super heroes to make this show relevant. If you didn't see Daredevil, or any of the Netflix Marvel shows, you'd still be able to follow this story without feeling lost.
- jasoncalva
- Feb 2, 2024
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Echo is far from perfect, but it is a step in the right direction for Marvel. Echo tells a more mature story than most other Marvel series, and it is obvious that it was made for an older audience. That is exactly what the MCU needs, and hopefully Disney is going to realise that. The audience has matured, and so should the content.
While I do not know much about Native American culture, I get the feeling that this series really tried to give Native Americans proper representation. The story felt believable (in the sense that the characters actions were faithful to their personalities), but it was a bit boring. Maya is not a horrible character, but she is just not interesting enough to be a main character. The best part of the show by far was Wilson Fisk, but most of the other elements were somewhat weaker. The show was better than I expected, but I can unfortunately not give it a higher rating.
While I do not know much about Native American culture, I get the feeling that this series really tried to give Native Americans proper representation. The story felt believable (in the sense that the characters actions were faithful to their personalities), but it was a bit boring. Maya is not a horrible character, but she is just not interesting enough to be a main character. The best part of the show by far was Wilson Fisk, but most of the other elements were somewhat weaker. The show was better than I expected, but I can unfortunately not give it a higher rating.
- BadFilmTastes
- Jan 9, 2024
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I'm sorry to say this show was, as other reviewers comment, really boring and badly written. (Or maybe it was the editing). There were some good scenes but not many. The story was alleged over the place. The actors had really rubbish dialogue. But, for me it was the missed opportunities.
The audience could have been given more immersion in how the world seems to this deaf hero. She cannot hear assailants so how does she cope with the traditional kung-fu multi attacker fight. We only have got a couple of "quiet " scenes demonstrating her deafness.
Maya is deaf and relies on sign language. Sign language users have tons of shortcuts and body mimes when communicating. It is not like subtitles with hand movements. More like moving emojis.
As regards her crime fighting artificial leg. More could be made of this. Para athletes will tell about the difficulty of fitting and wearing specialist limbs. We have a hero who wears one. Yet we never see the limb care and difficulty riding a motorcycle which has foot controls.
These were wasted opportunities to get show triumph against outnumbering foes.
As for the terrible script. Don't get me started.
The audience could have been given more immersion in how the world seems to this deaf hero. She cannot hear assailants so how does she cope with the traditional kung-fu multi attacker fight. We only have got a couple of "quiet " scenes demonstrating her deafness.
Maya is deaf and relies on sign language. Sign language users have tons of shortcuts and body mimes when communicating. It is not like subtitles with hand movements. More like moving emojis.
As regards her crime fighting artificial leg. More could be made of this. Para athletes will tell about the difficulty of fitting and wearing specialist limbs. We have a hero who wears one. Yet we never see the limb care and difficulty riding a motorcycle which has foot controls.
These were wasted opportunities to get show triumph against outnumbering foes.
As for the terrible script. Don't get me started.
The show obviously is utter garbage which tries to fan-bait you with Daredevil and Kingpin. You get a couple of minutes from the former and a little bit more of the latter in a completely neutered way. It is disgusting how they butchered these characters which is not at all surprising considering that they also changed Echo. Different personality, power, origin, looks, costume... Might as well be another character.
The plot is boring, stupid and unbelievable. It also leaves some big unanswered questions regarding Kingpin like: Where is Vanessa? Where was Echo throughout the events of the Netflix series which is canon? This belated shoehorning simply doesn't work especially with this unlikable, one facial expression, robotic character who is not a hero. Getting powers is not automatically a redemption arc! She is not motivated by the common good only by her selfish feelings. Maya puts others in danger and blatantly disregards their safety while commits murders without a hint of remorse.
Also, while I get that they were trying to make us experience the "deaf world" but this still makes a really bad show.
The plot is boring, stupid and unbelievable. It also leaves some big unanswered questions regarding Kingpin like: Where is Vanessa? Where was Echo throughout the events of the Netflix series which is canon? This belated shoehorning simply doesn't work especially with this unlikable, one facial expression, robotic character who is not a hero. Getting powers is not automatically a redemption arc! She is not motivated by the common good only by her selfish feelings. Maya puts others in danger and blatantly disregards their safety while commits murders without a hint of remorse.
Also, while I get that they were trying to make us experience the "deaf world" but this still makes a really bad show.
First with the bad. There is not a good story here. Generic, bland, it seems to be treading water the entirety of the show, with not much really happening. Side characters were mostly pointless and doesn't add to the story at all. Poignant, heartfelt moments are few and far apart. It has to keep showing the same flashbacks over and over and over. Kept showing it instead of showing who or what the power came from. Action scenes were mediocre except for maybe the first fight scene. Ending felt rushed and anti climactic. Wasted good performances from Vincent and relative new comer Alaqua.
Now the good. As mentioned, the acting was actually pretty good for the most part. Even from the side characters. It attempts to show the Native culture in a reverent way and appears very respectful to the culture in general, while humanizing the people at the same time. It was also short.
Now the good. As mentioned, the acting was actually pretty good for the most part. Even from the side characters. It attempts to show the Native culture in a reverent way and appears very respectful to the culture in general, while humanizing the people at the same time. It was also short.
After all the rumors of production issues and even the showrunners seeming pretty clueless and unprepared during interviews, Echo actually ended up being alright. The show is inoffensive and is just good enough to keep me entertained for a couple of hours.
With an abbreviated runtime of only 5 episodes, Echo is the next in a long line of Disney plus shows that are easy evidence for the argument that this 6, now 5, episode format doesn't work. It's too long to be a concise film and it's too short to allow the characters and plot to be fully fleshed out. With Echo, this issue is softened. The plot is simpler and there aren't too many characters or even subplots. It's a simple story where a troubled person returns home, followed by their enemies.
Acting-wise, it's pretty strong. Alaqua Cox, who hasn't been in much, is pretty solid as Maya Lopez. She has subtle facial expressions and palpable chemistry with Vincent D'Onofrio's Kingpin, who's just as great as he was in Daredevil. The two have a tense relationship built upon Kingpin's childhood trauma spilling onto Maya.
Outside of the acting, the action, which is pretty sparse, is decent. There's some nice long takes like the oner in the first episode with Daredevil, which was pretty cool. Outside of that, the only other memorable action scene was in the third episode, which had some hyper-stylized, high octane, editing that came out of nowhere (it was a welcome surprise, though). The TV-MA rating was mostly unnecessary outside of a bloody flashback or two.
The side characters are pretty basic. Nothing special here.
While the show is mostly focused on family drama and crime, making it clear that Maya isn't morally binary, there are some supernatural elements that pulled from Native American folktales. This aspect was quite intriguing but was barely in there. I wish this was explored more but then again, it's only 5 episodes.
Ultimately, Echo doesn't fully expand upon or commit to its supernatural ideas or mature crime themes. These two central ideas are just there. Luckily, the dynamic between Maya and Kingpin is very strong.
With an abbreviated runtime of only 5 episodes, Echo is the next in a long line of Disney plus shows that are easy evidence for the argument that this 6, now 5, episode format doesn't work. It's too long to be a concise film and it's too short to allow the characters and plot to be fully fleshed out. With Echo, this issue is softened. The plot is simpler and there aren't too many characters or even subplots. It's a simple story where a troubled person returns home, followed by their enemies.
Acting-wise, it's pretty strong. Alaqua Cox, who hasn't been in much, is pretty solid as Maya Lopez. She has subtle facial expressions and palpable chemistry with Vincent D'Onofrio's Kingpin, who's just as great as he was in Daredevil. The two have a tense relationship built upon Kingpin's childhood trauma spilling onto Maya.
Outside of the acting, the action, which is pretty sparse, is decent. There's some nice long takes like the oner in the first episode with Daredevil, which was pretty cool. Outside of that, the only other memorable action scene was in the third episode, which had some hyper-stylized, high octane, editing that came out of nowhere (it was a welcome surprise, though). The TV-MA rating was mostly unnecessary outside of a bloody flashback or two.
The side characters are pretty basic. Nothing special here.
While the show is mostly focused on family drama and crime, making it clear that Maya isn't morally binary, there are some supernatural elements that pulled from Native American folktales. This aspect was quite intriguing but was barely in there. I wish this was explored more but then again, it's only 5 episodes.
Ultimately, Echo doesn't fully expand upon or commit to its supernatural ideas or mature crime themes. These two central ideas are just there. Luckily, the dynamic between Maya and Kingpin is very strong.
- reaganreviews
- Jan 12, 2024
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