The first two seasons were awesome. Very good writing. Now with the third and especially the fourth season, the writing is horrible. Everything is overly dramatic. Pretty much every cast member annoys me now. I'm guessing the show got new writers after the second season. If that's the case, then they should have end the show there. Where did all the creativity go???
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knedb9 February 2022
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Stephanie404015 January 2022The writers have created too many millennial self-indulgent characters who lack confidence, need constant praise, are awkward and are constantly talking about their feelings. It's like a high school teen show set in the Star Trek universe. The first 4 episodes of S4 was just characters crying, second guessing themselves and over acting. Its like having an entire cast of Wesley Crusher's. It's such a disappointment! Yet, the same writers are involved in Picard, and they have absolutely got that right. The casting isn't that great on Discovery either. Tilly and Saru are excellent, but without Michelle Yeoh it's not really that good anymore. Looking forward to the spin off - I have a feeling that will be better.
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Never have been so bored to death of hearing stupid speeches. Every 10 minutes there's a big speech about what there going in to and how important it is. Yeah yeah we got after 50th speech we didn't need another 100. Make a sci-fi program not political bull crap.
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Darwinskid13 October 2019Where to begin...
For starters, it claims to be in line with the original series and its timeline yet nothing on display lines up with it or even visually resembles it. Instead it tries to replicate the look, feel, and energy of the JJ Abrams/Kelvin timeline movies(lens flares aplenty!) but it even fails at that.
The characters are mostly bland, stereotypical, and unlikeable.
It feels like everything that the original series tried to say has been thrown out the window to appeal to one-sided politics, Gene Roddenberry was trying to present hope and optimism for the future but here as far as Discovery is concerned the future is to be pretty but cold and uncaring.
As for the acting it ranges from good to okay mostly, very talented performers such as Jason Isaacs, Michelle Yeoh, Anson Mount, and Doug Jones all try their hardest but only in tiny glimpses are able to make the rough material work.
I would have to agree with other commenters that you are just better off with The Orville instead, far better Star Trek series. -
no_vampires_here25 September 2017...but this doesn't mean I'm obsessed with it. I just loved the universe with everything it holds - yeah SciFi rules - but honestly, after watching many times the old series I was kinda bored with the whole "bridge action" feeling like everything happened in a room.
ST Discovery for me is something else, looks fresh and it has a different view. Finally, I was waiting for this!! My biggest concern was the CGI and in my opinion it delivered and then some. So I say YES and I wish them success with the show, season after season and keep up with the characters. And finally women in charge, was kinda sick of perfect Picards and Kirks :D
PS: I honestly have no idea why so many bad reviews. "poor CGI" - are you kidding me?? -
Nerdfury24 September 2017No one hates Star Trek more than Star Trek fans. For every new series, we see a new generation of 'fans' bellowing and moaning about how this series will spell disaster for the franchise.
Lucky for me, I only started watching Star Trek in the last three years, catching up on something I never really saw before, so I get to come to it without decades of seething hatred for the smallest change.
Most of the complaints seem to be because it features an Asian-American woman as the captain and an African-American woman as the first officer, calling it a cliché, liberalism, or tokenism. I can't imagine a worse reason to dislike a series - because of the nationality or gender of the lead actors.
As for how I felt the first episode went? Well, it's a promising start. First, it looks gorgeous. This new generation of Star Trek is the realisation of fifty years of improved graphics, and while the shine and shimmer of the constant lens flaring is a little on the nose, it does look good.
Acting is a little wooden, but like a lot of things, my guess is that well see improvement as they settle into their roles a little more. The first episode contained a lot of exposition, of course, but they had to set the scene with the length of episode and amount of episodes they have at their disposal.
I look forward to seeing where this all goes, and unlike other 'fans,' I'll do so with an open mind and heart. -
nexx-4331426 September 2017I was expecting to hate it, but I watched the first two episodes and I actually liked it. I am very much excited to see more.
As a female Star Trek fan, I was happy to see a female captain and a first officer. Michelle Yeoh is amazing, I've always loved her and she did a great job portraying a Starfleet captain in a crisis. Didn't really like the Michael Burnham character but she's also a typical first officer, full of herself. Reminds me a bit of Riker. We'll see about her character development. I thought I was going to hate the show because of the new Klingons, but I was once again surprised to find them believable. They look menacing and scary. Out of all the races in Star Trek I've always disliked the Klingons and the gimmicky childish way in which they're portrayed. In all the previous series characters spent more time talking a lot about Klingon honor, culture and conquests but in most scenes portraying them like dimwitted apes that just shout at each other and lose every battle shown in the series. So I can't wait to see what the war against the Klingons actually looks like.
Some parts of the plot were a stretch for me. The Klingon ship design is a bit excessive, not in decorations, but in the size of the ships. They were a bit too large. The costumes and the masks the Klingons wear are so stiff. I can't really see them being very effective for combat and you can't read any facial expressions through the masks.
I am a bit surprised at all the negative commentary, even more, surprised at the reasons listed behind them. Anyone calling this show bad because it doesn't look exactly like all the other shows before isn't a real Star Trek fan. It would be sad for any SCI-FI show to adopt such an outdated image today and there are enough episodes already made for us to watch if we feel nostalgic. Even I as a fan can say that from today's perspective old Star Trek episodes seem a bit childish and naive. They also had many plot holes and ridiculous plot lines. The fact that I find a comedy show Orville to be very similar to Star Trek is just proof. I like it but let's face it. Television has progressed beyond the familiar frontier. It has become more grey, more bold with its topics, ready to challenge our black and white ideals. So I think we should give Star Trek a chance.
All in all, I like the direction they're taking it in. I just hope that on that road they won't lose the main spirit of Star Trek and that's the exploration of human society, our ideals and what makes us human while referencing real issues we face every day in a highly futurized environment. Loosing this was the first mistake the Star Trek movies made when they turned Star Trek into a firework of visual effects without any content. ------------------------ So after the pilot episodes, this show took a weird 180 degrees turn. The third episode is like a completely different show than the first two episodes and not in a good way. Apart from 2 characters we're introduced to a whole new cast of characters who are all extremely unlikeable. The atmosphere is completely changed from "we come in peace" attitude to "we will cross any line for the greater good". Characters have become really irrational and aggressively impulsive in their decisions. I still don't understand the Klingon arc. I was expecting it to become clearer with the progression of the show, but I just don't understand what the heck are they on about. They keep talking to each other like we're in Season 3, dropping names and terms I am not familiar with. What is a torch? Why is it important? Why is this T'Kuvma dude so special apart from possesing a torch? They spent 5 seconds with him, why is he suddenly a messiah? The show treats this as a matter fact topic. I don't know, it's like a completely different show. -
whocares-962378 January 2022The higher ratings are garbage from either Hollywood paid marketing firms or an intentional effort to push some stupid social messaging.
Here is the bottom line, ST is a formula, it was built on a formula, its survived on a formula and it exists because of the formula. This garbage deviates so far from the formula that its like some film students 3rd year attempt to reimagine it.
As another reviewer mentions, Star Trek was always a message of hope, it was bright, positive, and had encouraging messaging, this has a dark theme, underlying negativity, dreadful background music or effects constantly playing to bring the vibe down very low.
What worked so well with the earlier versions of ST is they allowed the audience to use their own imagination, they told a story and allowed viewers to interpret.
This tries to define each and every nuance, this tries to reinvent and lay it all out.
StarTrek did an excellent job of intermixing races genders species, and it was a show from the 1960's, so far ahead of its time but sent the proper messaging.
This version force-feeds some obnoxiously unrealistic version that appears to be written to appeal to an audience that is not the typical StarTrek fanbase, and its not winning any new fans!
At the end of the day, the people who watch StarTrek appreciate how it was created and how it flowed, what this is, is not that, and its boring enough to not draw in any new viewers.
Im calling this another fail by CBS and by Hollyweird who continue to try and push their foolishness on everyone! -
i have to agree with all the accurate and negative comments on this show,what a disgrace and an insult to the star trek universe. everything about this show is bad, starting with the worst writing and plot lines, actually what plot, hardly anything happens. in ep 3 there literally was no plot, just boring character interaction, and what a bunch of loser and depressing characters we have, it has been said in other posts but its worth repeating, there is not one likable person so far on this show, everyone hates everyone, they all have personal agendas. the writing and acting is amateur dramatics. i thought Enterprise was bad, but compared to this it could be a masterpiece. so far netflix have not delivered as far as i am concerned on anything, stranger things i thought was crap, the expanse boring rubbish, marco polo a yawn fest, and on and on, the comedies are not that much better, mostly its the writing in all their stuff that just does not make the grade
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carol_weaver-609-8711543 July 2022I'm sort of enjoying this in parts, but why oh why is the main character, Michael Burnham, bursting into tears or looking tearful in nearly every one of her scenes? Who on earth would write a Commander who is supposed to have had a Vulcan upbringing but is both emotionally unstable and incapable of making the kind of flash, life and death decisions required of command? The whole of everything can be at stake and yet she stands around crying about one thing ot another, agonising with someone while people around her are suffering and dying and the world is coming to an end yet again and you are thinking for God's sake get on with it and stop blubbering. The amount of emotion had me in tears, not of empathy but boredom. The amount of slow moving, soul-searching scenes is a drag on what could otherwise be a good show. The gratuitous violence is too much and unnecessary. I have commented previously in another place about the current annoyingly cynical use of gay or lesbian relationships in every series and film these days. The right to a relationship of your choice and way of life is an accepted thing now, so why is there a pushy political agenda which I think is patronising to gay people in that the producers assume that gay people won't watch anything without a gay person in it? Sci-fi fans are sci-fi fans no matter who they are, and it is partitioning gay people rather than treating them as normal viewers like the rest od us. I also found some action very confusing. The special effects are great, though. We're into Series 3 so I don't expect the crying to lessen. I tend to go and make tea now in the blubbery moments, but one can only drink so much tea in an hour or so.
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supermellowcali3 December 2021Apparently TV shows are made for younger kids these days. This show is so well produced that it's a shame it's become so boring, having gone way too far with teaching social correctness to young kids and sacrificing a good scifi story for a vision of the future with fleet crew members straight from daytime soap operas, too preoccupied with their emotional fragility to be competent. Ninjas vs Diabetics? In a sword fight? On a starship? Please. Stop it. I wish instead they'd capitalize more on the bold ideas, story elements and humor past shows have had... that appeal to all ages.
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christian9424 September 2017As a huge Star Trek fan for years who has watched every Star Trek episode of the 28 seasons of TV and all the hits and misses at the movies, I was pretty excited to hear of Star Trek: Discovery premiere night and gathered my extended family - some trekkies and some oblivious to the universe - to watch together this Sunday.
Star Trek Deep Space Nine premiere got me hooked on Star Trek and I could not expect the same stirring sense of awe, universe creation and strong characterization. However, having followed the new series development and push back from May launch date and seen some impressive trailers, I wished for the best to revive a TV icon that had been dormant since Enterprise got cancelled and aired last in May 2005.
So just fresh of this 'fascinating' experience here are the GOOD, the BAD, (and the BADASS!) after the first two episodes:
The BADASS is Sonequa Martin-Green and her rebellious Michael Burnham character. She acts well, has strong dialogue and character development, especially in the second episode with the Sarek and Vulcan arc. She also has some action, self-reflection and intellect to showcase.
The GOOD are the stunning special effects and Starfleet crew. From the new race to mysterious robot, but mostly the interactions from the captain (Philippa Georgiou), commander Burnham and chef science officer (Saru) are spot on. Great tension, friendship, work ethics, chemistry and captivating acting. A shame we may not see too much of Michelle Yeoh in the future. I have faith for similar good character development for the seldom seen or heard rest of the core crew. I think creators and writers got it right so far for the Federation side which should be the focus.
The BAD is all the underused Klingon subplot where the series not only change the prosthetic and physical appearance of a well known documented and liked alien race in the canon universe, but also some of its culture and history. To portray the Klingons as only war-like and hungry for battle is not incorrect but is falling into the trap of creating an easy villain. Klingons are liked because they have a culture that also include good-natured laughs, drinks, food and friendship. They have time honoured traditions but can also break them, they think, feel and try not to fear for honour and bravery. They have reasons, reflexes and often a cause. They have memorable characters like Worf, Martok, Torres, Gowron, Kahless, Kurn, Kang, Chang and the Duras sisters to name a few. They have also a lot of language and culture already well developed so to see a new way they treat their dead in Discovery for instance feels unnecessary and not complementary to Sto'Vo'Kor (their Heaven or Valhalla) tradition and thinking.
BOTTOM LINE: every scene with Klingons and their dialogue so far seem useless and uninteresting compared to previous Klingon depth of culture or possible new avenues for this known race or even new made up race. This is poor and reflects limited reflection and petty fear fostering rather than enriching the palette of a wide and wide-reaching tapestry. Thus T'Kuvma, the Klingon new Messiah, is the weakest character as of now and all this Kahless reborn and ritualistic machination is not working to better the understanding of this beloved race.
As for the show it seems to have the potential to finish the 15- episode first season with strong story arcs, well-developed characters and situations. It will surely find some personal and philosophical aspects to explore as well as new ways of life and thinking like most good Star Trek did. My only current hope is this Klingon oversight is temporary and will balance itself out in an otherwise top sci-fi addition to the impressive Star Trek universe. I will give this my full attention as we await the fate of some interesting characters and can't wait to DISCOVER more. -
craigkatzer6 January 2022The show started out techno-clever with interesting character interactions.
Now all we have is a bunch of needy characters episode after episode. Even the computer is needy. It is exhausting.
I give it a 6 because I still have hope, but the writing is being sucked into a black hole of neediness. -
colonnesel27 November 2021Show went from being OK at best for the first season, to pretty bad in the second, to cringe in the third and has now achieved "unwatchable" status. In fact I just stopped watching s04e02 mid episode during another interminable self endulging motivational speech.
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StuOz27 December 2017Ten years before Captain Kirk, this happened.....
I am not too big on two word reviews but I am tempted to make such a review here - this stinks!
Nearly everything about Star Trek: Discovery turns me off!
I view the original 60s series Star Trek as one of my top ten TV shows ever made and I have also enjoyed Deep Space Nine (1993-99) as well - but this!
Discovery might look like a million bucks but a recent web series called - Star Trek Continues - did a better job of going where no man has gone before than this rubbish! -
Judging from the first episodes: I expected much worse, and i was blown away. And I understand that many Trek fans will not be able to overcome the design changes. This series is Darker, the Klingons resemble the Prometheus Engineers, the narrative does not appear to be mainly episodic; and many principles of the federation will fall ethically into shades of gray. However, if we take our expectations and preconceived notions out of the equation, and accept this series for what it is. Arguably, it is the most impressive Space Opera series of the last few years. Visually surpassing series as The Expanse or Stargate Universe. Narratively, the War premise works flawlessly as a grand opening, and will serve as a solid foundation for the rest of the series. The characters are convincing, the strong personality of the protagonist is not forced. And the chemistry between peers is pleasant. I really enjoyed this bold new approach to this franchise. If I preferred to see something more familiar, like a sequel within the TNG era? Yes, no doubt. But despite of this, this version is a high quality production on so many levels. And I'll wait religiously for the next episodes.
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grahamdavidson0072 October 2017So here we are with another series of Star Trek with lots of cheesy lines and bad acting.... No wonder my partner does not want to watch it!
...but wait I am 3 episodes in and the usual bad acting and, cheap jokes have yet to make an appearance.
The new ''ST:D'' <(yea someone was having a laugh there weren't they?)> appears on our screen as a mature watch, credible actors, engaging storyline and great special effects/cgi.
It reminds me of what batman begins attempted to do with that series, and take it down a darker path and aim for a more mature audience.
Every episode so far feels like it belongs in the cinema and that is highly commendable. I have been watching the other new TV series Orville - it has a star trek feel but is certainly aimed at the comedy market so watching the two in a week is awesome as you get the whole sci fi feeling....
I know the trekkie purists will be angry at another retread at a prequel... and I am no hardcore trekkie. But change is good... It follows on from the recent films the first of which attempted to change the trekkie world meaning anything from that point can change!
ST:D (haha) is for me the best thing to happen in recent years, so other than a trip to the doctors I am awarding it a 10/10!! -
strizbiz-9942928 September 2017So Im reading a lot of reviews of how unlike Start Trek this is... well.. if you want to see the last several decades of Star Trek we been getting again....go watch the last several decades again. For those who are saying Gene Roddenberry has been betrayed...news flash...the mans been dead for over 25 years now. If Star Trek is supposed to stay the same for ever, why bother making any more Star Trek movies or TV series?? Hey, I love the original series and Star Trek Generations and many of the Star Trek movies, but I don't expect it to stay the same for ever and ever. Are we expecting Batman movies not to change or evolve?
This is a new Star Trek, for a new audience and a new generation, if you are a purist, this might not be for you if you want the last several decades regurgitated. So far we're only 2 episodes in and I like where its going. It's definitely darker in terms of the Star Trek franchise, the same can be said if you compare Adam West as Batman on TV to Christian Bale going up against Heath Ledger's Joker.
This Star Trek looks like it has an intensity none of the other Star Treks could pull off, it's gritty and harsh and war is starting. Its not supposed to be campy and humorous, and I really don't think a lot of purist and Trekkies will be able to handle whats to come and might want to tune into the Orvile to get their regurgitated Star Trek fix.
It's a bit early to see a lot of character development with Star Trek Discovery, but I'm looking forward to see whats in store. -
fparent-314-71576519 November 2021I just finished watching season 4 episode 1 and I don't know what to make of it. The show's script and dialogues feels like it's for an audience of 12 years old. The special effects are nicely done but the technology is borderline "magic" not believable.
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koumakpet3 January 2019At first I thought that this was a bad show, but when I watched it again after almost 4 months, it turned out it is not that bad, now I'm on ep 14. And I have to say, I really like it, I don't even know, what it is about it, that I disliked so much, polrobably that it is so different from previous startreks, but now that I started again, I like it a lot, so, for those who had the same opinion about this show as me, try watching it again. It might turn out, that it's actually pretty good.
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criscal12 January 2022The biggest issue I have with the show is that the main character seems very unfit for a leading position. She is doing rash acts with bad consequences. Also even though set before the classic series, the technology has to be better than in that series. But that seems to be the typical power creep with long lasting SF series of series.
I am not inclined to complaint about the long lasting story arc that didn't exist in the classic series. There have been other precedences. -
adaptor21 March 2022This series is just wrong in so many different ways. It is less related to the Star Trek canon than JJ Abrams' turds were. This is raw Star-Trek-ploitation. Perhaps it could have been enjoyable if it were called something else and didn't try to awkwardly force itself into a mold it wasn't designed to fit into... If you like Star Trek, check out Star Trek Continues, New Voyages, or Lower Decks for better offerings in the Star Trek universe.
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rayahermans18 March 2022The wokeness and alphabet soup overacting has arrived to the Super Universe that was Star Trek... and made it worse... 7/10 to me means "watchable but only if there is really nothing else you could be doing..." Star Trek was already about respect and acceptance of differences... the added virtue signalling just is ridiculous.
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riverzak14 March 2022So far season 2 has been the best of the series. While season 4 has an interesting story arc, I am seeing far too much time spent on characters having heart to heart discussions. This is Star Trek, not group therapy. It seems no crisis is too dire or time critical that time can't be taken for inappropriate (in the moment) conversation. Billions of lives are at stake but let's pause for several minutes to tug at the old heart strings, or perhaps just to pad the show out to a full episode.
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crowdaddi11 December 2021WTF is going on with everyone crying all the time?
Everyone is an emotional wreck in this show. These people should have never made it into Starfleet. There ain't no crying in Starfleet!
More than half of every episode is dedicated to people crying and explaining their feelings. They do it before and after every event that takes place and then the do it some more just so you know how the feel. Stop crying and talking already and do action. Pew! Pew!
The main girl is the worst of them all. She whispers and cries in every episode and she is suppose to be the damn captain. Nobody wants a crying captain.
She cries more than Carrie Mathison of Homeland and i didn't think that was possible. Space!