Drake & Josh stars Drake Bell and Josh Peck have opened up about the toll their struggles in the public eye as child actors and later overcoming substance abuse issues had on their lives.

“Oh, everything was public, man. I mean, it’s just crazy, you know? And yeah, so it got hard,” Bell revealed in an episode of Dear Media’s Good Guys podcast, which Josh Peck hosts with entrepreneur Ben Soffer, that dropped on Thursday.

His appearance followed a year after first talking on the Investigation Discovery docuseries Quiet on Set: The Dark Side of Kids TV about having to work on a Nickelodeon kids TV show set alongside Brian Peck, before his former dialogue coach was convicted of sexually assaulting the former child actor in 2004. The ID four-parter featured allegations of abuse, sexism, racism and inappropriate behavior involving underage stars and crewmembers on Nickelodeon series overseen by Schneider.