This article contains a major spoiler for the 2024 film Conclave.

Susan Bin is not a Catholic. She tells Rolling Stone that she’s been to a single Mass service in her life, “and that’s a long story.” But she’s engaged with the church from an academic perspective as someone who works in fine art and has an education in art history. She has studied everything from early Christian art to papal sarcophagi to the Renaissance transformation of Old St. Peter’s Basilica into the basilica that stands in Vatican City today.