A girl is looking for her soul mate-- this movie was very strange-- lots of sequences that look like an hallucinations. Tommy Lee Jones is the only stable one in the picture. It was hard to figure out what the director was trying to say-- Most of the time the main character is dressed in weird clothes and makeup. A weird combination of reality and madness.
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alfonte_9915 November 2004Tommy Lee Jones' act of blowing up the bridge is an effort to break the attachment Eliza's spirit is still having to this world. Viewers are thus advised not to take this movie literally. I have read the credits and this casting is international. This is a movie that may have been nominated to compete in Cannes Film Festival in its times. It is full of symbolism and its allegoric imagery sometimes gets the viewer confused. First, this not a sequential movie. The main character remembers how she died raped and killed near a river. Her younger brother probably died in the same place and these memories are very repressed in her memory of the life she just ended. All the characters in the movie are only trying to wake her up to her new state of being using the things she believes like astrology. Those shoes she keeps in that wooden box are her dead relatives. There is no one else in this world waiting for her. There are clues even at the end of the movie when the fat dead guy hands her a piece of the Geronimo poster with Tommy's last message: "I got tired of waiting for you so I'll meet you in the sun." Tommy crossed over but she decided to cling to a world that no longer belongs to her. That is how the movie ends. She is not ready to cross over. It took me a while to understand it but it is very clear now.
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amosduncan_20006 July 2006This movie is of interest to the fans of the famous rock group "The Band" in that singer/ keyboardist Richard Manuel appears in several scenes. It looks to me like the movie might have been shot some years before 75, judging by Richard's looks. Interestingly, Jones would later act with The Band's Levon in a considerably better film "Coal Miner's Daughter." Anyway, you really need a special reason to outlast this tough to watch Art film. Alas, the famously sensitive Manuel would commit suicide. I've never heard how he ended up in a movie. Four of the five members of the Band would appear in another bad film "Man Outside."
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Leofwine_draca23 October 2018It's not often I have to abandon watching films but ELIZA'S HOROSCOPE is so terribly made that I ended up losing interest in it entirely. It's a heavily dated, zero budget romantic drama about a young woman obsessed with astrology who finds love in the terms of a half-Indian rock star, as played by a pre-stardom Tommy Lee Jones. What follows is incredibly slow and meandering, with one of the worst-quality soundtracks I can remember hearing; every noise and line of dialogue is harsh and tinny. There's no real story here, just aimlessness, so the director adds in a lot of attempted arty-farty style to make it interesting; sad to say, he fails entirely.
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Eliza's Horoscope is the story of a naive young lady from the country who comes to the city looking for love. She is told by a man that she will find love in the city. Once there she seeks a Chinese astrologer who tells her she will meet a rich suitor. Innocent as it sounds to wish to be in love, marry, and have children, it is far from. Eliza is living in a dirty city in a brothel sharing a room with a middle-aged prostitute. Her only true male companion is Tommy Lee Jones an American-Indian who may also be an idealist in some sense, but understands the world as it is-an oppressive and immoral place. In fact, one of the best features of the film deals with Tommy Lee Jones bringing Eliza to his grandmother and the grandmother explaining the difference in the quality of life since the village she lived has been taken over and converted by the white settlers into an industrial city. It is because Tommy Lee Jones is a realist that he can see oppression and wants to fight it. Eliza on the otherhand rather than seeing the world as it is, she lives in fantasies and looks for crutches to use in her life. The baby shoes Eliza carries with her in a wooden box are one example. The second is relying on horoscopes. Is the horoscope given by the Chinese world true or false? What is true is that by trying to follow her horoscope she moves more and more away from reality and those she loves through the seedy, underworld of degenerate modern life and loveless, wealthy men. The prostitute throwing away her horoscope and shoes are a desire on her part to try to free Eliza from her inability to see reality. The plot is oftentime confusing as are the hallucinatic images in the film. I can't possible fantom the meaning of the whole film. Normally I wouldn't recommend such a film. However, the movie is visually hypnotic to watch. There is something that draws one want into viewing this film.
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Eliza (Elizabeth Moorman) is a farm girl from the country coming to the city looking for love. She has met a man that has told her of an Astrologist who will show her the stars. This is a journey of souls...Eliza is put to the test, can she realize her true love when she sees him or not? Tommy (Tommy Lee Jones) is a construction worker trying to find himself in his native heritage. They show each other different ways of looking at things. All the while Eliza is still looking for love and Tommy is trying to protect the reservation that his grandmother lives on. This is a twisted story of looking beyond the obvious and finding beauty in the simple everyday things. The style is artsy and chock full of symbolism. The psychedelic camera styling might scare away the average moviegoer, but the deeper message and the interesting frames make this movie worth watching. It is a movie that explores the underworld of the weird, wretched and devastated individuals. This one strays from the path but certainly worth watching!
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EyeAskance24 November 2002An artistically pushy, meandering slice of old-school Anti-Hollywoodism which has something to do with a young woman's interest in astrology becoming possibly either beneficial or detrimental to her romantic pursuits and characteristic growth. Initially intriguing and occasionally visually interesting, it unfortunately digresses rapidly into a merciless hurl of vague imagery and willy-nilly abstraction. What could/would/should have been something dreamy and ethereal comes off a strained and woefully hypnogogic zombie-walk(which appears to have been edited with a melon-baller). There may be an ambiguous between-the-lines supernatural/metaphysical element in play here someplace, but the whole affair is just too high-flown to solidly deduce precisely *what* all this claptrap is supposed to mean.
Admittedly, I have not seen another film quite like ELIZA'S HOROSCOPE, and I suppose I would hesitantly recommend it to a few rabid fans of outré' head cinema. Others will surely find it a rough ride on a very slow train to noplace. -
meddlecore15 June 202118 year old Eliza (played by Elizabeth Moorman), has come to Montreal, from the North, in order to find her soulmate, so that she can get pregnant and have a child.
But she doesn't know where to begin, so she consults a Chinese horoscope reader, named Rose (played by Rose Quong), who lives in a boarding house that also acts as a bordello.
While there, she ends up sharing a room with Lila (Lila Kedrova), a local prostitute, who becomes her closest confidant in her search for love.
Though, she tries to turn her on to Catholicism, instead of "this new age astrology crap".
She also befriends an angsty young Bukowksian native named Tommy, played by Tommy Lee Jones.
Having a white guy play the role of a Native American is pretty taboo these days...but Sheppard honestly thought that Tommy Lee Jones had native ancestry derived from a grandmother he claimed was Commanche.
But this has since been disputed.
If you haven't noticed by now, everyone is using their real names.
In an article written by writer/producer/director Gordon Sheppard, he noted, "It was only when they were cast that I asked the actors if we could use their real names for the characters as I felt that doing so would give the actors greater identification with their roles.".
Eventually Eliza gets her chart back from the oracle, which says that she will find a handsome, rich, man who will love her but also be her friend.
However, she forgets the initial warning- that the advice may not be accurate- as she was unable to provide the exact time of her birth within five minutes of the time she was born.
That's not to say it isn't actually accurate, but she certainly interprets it the wrong way, which is a mistake that the entire plot revolves around.
It's also an idea that is reinforced later in the film, when she humourously posts a bulletin suggesting that "Jesus Was A Capricorn", followed by her request to meet a rich and handsome aries or saggitarius man...on the doors of a church.
This may not be evident to most, but the irony is derived from the idea that Jesus was not actually born on Christmas (and therefore not a capricorn)- as that story is actually an astrotheological rendering of a tale designed to associate Jesus with the "birth of the Sun", so as to fashion him as a Sun King.
He was really born on Easter, and thus, actually an Aries.
Making her friend's suggestion, that she should date Jesus, as he's "the best man she's ever had", all that more ironic, as well.
These instances of irony deeply saturate the esotericism of the film, as it is also ironic that she asks her imaginary child "Joshua" for advice...considering Jesus' name was Yeshua, and all.
Her desperate quest for love seems to be an attempt to quell the overwhelming sense of guilt that looms in her mind, and weighs on her soul, as a result of the untimely death of her little brother Luke, which she clearly feels partially responsible for.
While her forcible attempt to make the whole thing a self-fulfilling prophecy, blinds her from the fact that the man right under her nose has perfectly fit the description the whole time...just...not in the way she is interpreting it.
She takes "rich" to mean monetarily wealthy, but it really means rich in spirit, passion, perseverance, and imagination.
So, despite the connection they clearly share, she sabotages the relationship, telling Tommy that she doesn't love him.
Preferring to take her chances with fate, instead.
Not realizing it has already played it's hand.
Little does she know, that by rejecting Tommy...she not only seals her own fate (ie her further descent into madness)...but his, as well.
And by the time she realizes her mistake...it's already too late...
The whole thing is overtly bizarre- along similar lines as the works of Jodorowsky- and unintentionally hilarious at points...but that is the source of it's charm.
And, overall, it's actually an excellent film.
In the end, one of the funniest things is that Sheppard's story about the making the film- which was almost this great Hollywood masterpiece involving some of the greatest names in the history of music and cinema, despite ending up as one man's epic solo undertaking- is just as entertaining as the film itself.
To give you the jist, it was partially inspired by the influence of Alanis Obomsawin, was almost greenlit by Hefner; and edited by Fellini's editor...then Godard's editor...and even Martin Scorcese!; nearly starred Genevieve Bujold; and was going to have an original soundtrack recorded by The Band (though you can still see Robbie Robertson in the film as an extra).
I highly recommend you read the article he wrote about trying to get the film made...it's really interesting.
And, to take the irony angle a little further, he ended up finding the love of his life- Marguerite Corriveau (who edited the film)- as a result of the whole process.
Sheppard would never go on to make another film...but he did make Tommy Lee Jones career...as it was his performance in this film that got him signed to a Hollywood contract with Howard Hawks' daughter Kitty Hawks, who worked for CMA at the time.
Another interesting thing to note is how Rose Quong and Tommy's indigenous grandmother in the film, both have very similar looks to them.
This is a very intentional feature, as, when Jacques Cartier originally travelled down the St. Lawrence seaway, to Hochelaga (where he was stopped by the rapids), he thought he had found the Northwest Passage, that would eventually take him to China (though he was prevented from going any further).
Hence the rapids taking on the name Lachine, which comes from La Chine (or the Chinese, in French).
This association was not lost on Sheppard, who, based on his research, believed the indigenous peoples of Canada and North America, had once emigrated from northern Asia, and thus shared both features, culture and a lineage with the people of China.
There was never an official release of this film by the way.
The only version available is actually a pirate copy of the master that Sheppard had sent to a VHS distribution company that went belly up before it was ever released...which explains why the version you saw is so choppy.
That aside, however, this film went on to win several awards, and has since gone down in history as Canadian classic.
Warner Bros legally received the rights to distribute this film back in 2015- Sheppard died in 2006- so it is due for some restoration and a proper release one day.
That being said, it's well worth putting in the just over 2 hours to watch.
Especially if you're into psychedelic cinema (like the films of Jodorowsky, Gaspar Noe's Enter The Void, Ben Wheatley's A Field In England, Victor Ginzburg's Generation P, Nicholas Roeg's Eureka, Lars Von Trier's Melancholia, and Raoul Ruiz's Le Territoire...or in the case of Quebec cinema...the films of Andre Forcier).
8 out of 10.